Posts by gitasatsangha

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Take George out of the equation.

by Thunder Rider in

this whole blame the president thing is getting old.

you "anyone but bush" people kill me.

you're all so quick to condemn but have you any real constructive criticism?

gitasatsangha

Why don't you Bush bashers BTFO and express your ideas on how to deal with terrorism, despotism and evil, rather than fan the flames of hatred and discension, about a situation that in the long run YOU will benefit from?

10 ideas

1: Tighten the borders, and dramatically cut immigration quotas. Put soldiers on the borders and use them to inspect seaports if necessary.

2: Do not use "Terrorism" as a strawman excuse for the conquest of yet another Arab nation. The pro-Sharon neocon theoreticians, seem to have their loyalties decided.

3: End all aid and cut off diplomatic ties to Israel until they offer universal suffrage to all adults born in their territories.

4: End NAFTA and other preferential trade agreements. Leave the WTO. These organizations do not promote world prosperity, but rather leave wealth in the hands of a few, while the poor get poorer. Poverty and extremism go hand in hand. A trully free ecnomy does not need this.

5: Push the development of the V-22 Osprey. The military needs better rapid deployment and resupply capabilities for Afghanistan style theaters of conflict.

6: End the war on drugs. Illegitamite drug trade is the main bankrolling device of terrorist groups.

7: Boycott products from Maoist and Marxist nations. Placating the reds simply has not worked.

8: Continue to assist allied nations like the Phillipines who need our help in stamping out the Bin Laudens of tomorrow

9: Abandon Antiballistic Missile program. It's pork politics at its worst.

10: Better Intell. Intelligence heads need to be responsible for the failings of their departments.

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Russia: Jehovah's Witnessess contracts cancelled

by DevonMcBride in

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http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=297

this article was published by f18news on: 13 april 2004russia: jehovah's witness rental contracts cancelled

by geraldine fagan, moscow correspondent, forum 18 news service

gitasatsangha

Banning religions is a slippery slope. Russia continues to slide backwards under Putin. I wonder what Russians think about this? As long as people there have food to eat, and the old VAZ has petrol in the tank, I guess they will put up with anything. (Historically, they always have). This isn't a good thing for people who don't like JW's, btw. Jdubs tend to do better under pressure. And being happy about a government controlling religion just because you don't like one particular religion is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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A question for Christians, bible thumpers, and heathens.

by gumby in

are we punished for our parents' sins?

exodus 20:5 "for i the lord thy god am a jealous god, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

" (repeated in deuteronomy 5:9)

gitasatsangha

I agree with Yerusalem. One of the aspects of cause-and-effect, is that the interconnectedness of all things has to be taken into account. A man is alcoholic. He dies of cirrosis. However he may also pass on the pattern of behaivor to his children, who may be impoverished by his alcoholic behaivior, and who in turn seek out alcohol or drugs as solace to their suffering. It goes on and on.

I'm no bible scholar, and so I don't know necessarily if that was what was implied in those verses, but it is reasonable to assume that negative actions have far reaching actions.

Religions that accept reincarnation (or rebirth.. slightly different concept), accept only invidvidual responsibility. In other words, you might be born into a family in terrible circumstances, and your father may be a murder and your mother abusive, but you are there in these sore straits, due to your own actions from a previous life.

from Hinduism:
"Eternal family traditions and codes of moral conduct are destroyed with the destruction of the family. And immorality prevails in the family due to the destruction of family traditions.And when immorality prevails, O Krishna, the women of the family become corrupted; when women are corrupted, unwanted progeny is born. This brings the family and the slayers of the family to hell, because the spirits of their ancestors are degraded when deprived of ceremonial offerings of love and respect by the unwanted progeny. The everlasting qualities of social order and family traditions of those who destroy their family are ruined by the sinful act of illegitimacy. We have been told, O Krishna, that people whose family traditions are destroyed necessarily dwell in hell for a long time." (Bhagavad Gita 1.40-1.44)

from Buddhism:
"Frequently I have been born in a high family, frequently in a low one; I
am not mean, nor noble, nor do I desire social preferment." Thus
reflecting, who would brag about his family or about his glory, or for
what should he long? Therefore a wise man should neither be glad nor angry
about his lot: he should know and consider about the happiness of all
living creatures. Carefully conducting himself, he should mind this: "I
will always experience blindness, deafness, dumbness, be one-eyed,
hunchbacked, black, white, and every color; because of my carelessness I
am born in many births, experience many feelings."Anguttara Nikaya iii.33

from Jainism:
"Here, O young man, some woman or man is a taker of life, fierce,
with hands stained by blood, engaged in killing and beating, without mercy
for living creatures. As a result of deeds thus accomplished, thus
undertaken, he is reborn on the breakup of the body, after death, into a
state of woe, of ill plight, of purgatory or hell, or if he comes to be
born as a man, wherever he may be reborn he is of a short life span. This
course--that he is a taker of life, fierce, with hands stained by blood,
engaged in killing and beating, without mercy for living creatures, leads
to shortness of life." Acarangasutra 2.50-55

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WATCH YOUR FACIAL EXPRESSIONS- THE DEMONS DO

by minimus in

the july 1, 1962 wt.

asks "can the demons read our minds?

"" the demons.

gitasatsangha

Can a demon see your erection, even though you are wearking baggy jeans, trying not to look at Sister Zoot, and are sitting down in a vain attempt to hide it during Song number 31?

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two terrible sonnets on tax-week

by gitasatsangha in

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illiad.

dear irs i procrastinate.

till april hits mid-stride.

gitasatsangha

you all wouldnt know a good-lousy sonnet it if stripped naked, coated itself with honey and glitter, and gave you a lapdance while singing "lousy-good sonnets are here again"

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Do jw's believe dinosaurs existed?

by farmer in

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?

and what do they believe or not about evolution?

gitasatsangha

and also disappear without leaving connecting fossil links

Birds, probably.

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two terrible sonnets on tax-week

by gitasatsangha in

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illiad.

dear irs i procrastinate.

till april hits mid-stride.

gitasatsangha

Illiad

Dear IRS I procrastinate
till April hits mid-stride
and by then I am almost late
to hold back the sickening tide

of numbers and figures, banalities
vast waves of interest deduction
at the knowledge I must pay penalties
then my mind halts all production

shall I unbutton my jeans and bend over
for the Internal Revenue Search?
will they put me in jail moreover
where the same thing can happen but worse?

I am so befuddled by taxes
I'd rather juggle two-headed axes

Odyssey

I pray to the gods for boons in prostration
the Goddess of Brains comes before me
I offer Athena my used Play Station
She agrees to check out my 1040

and lo! hope lies in two decimals
misplaced to the left of a dot
my shouts of joy ring in decibels
waking everyone alseep on the lot

I wont have to sell half my gonads
or barter my blood till I'm dry
Not yet will I live like a nomad
A tax fugitive till I die.

Now my heart is glad, and the sky is sunny
I met a goddess, and the Feds owe me money

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What site made you leave...

by Tuesday in

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i was asked the other day when telling my story about leaving the witnesses when relating finally having the courage to type "jehovah witness" into the search bar on internet explorer and clicking around.

i was never into doctrine at all when i was a witness, i barely listened at all anyhow it was the comical sites that got me.

while freeminds was a great tool i was more influenced by the bethel cartoons on the site.

gitasatsangha

Sites didnt make me leave, but they were helpful sometimes for the informationt hey offered, if offered without a catch. What I didn't like, were sites that were obviously set up by some evengelist with alterior motives (*winning your hearts to Jesis etc ad nauseum). I especially liked though, Freeminds, H20, AJWRB (and on Prodigy Service "Not the Party Line") and on Newsgroups alt.watchtower was sometiems a fun read. But H20, NTPL, alt.watchtower and a few others were very negative and perhaps not as helpful. Your milage may vary

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Armenian Party Calls for ban on JW's

by DevonMcBride in

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http://www.religionnewsblog.com/6718-armenian_party_calls_for_ban_on_jehovah_s_witnesses.html

devon

gitasatsangha

Iron Curtain countries banning religions never make me particularly happy, even when the religions have it coming.

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Possible Economic Defeat of the Watchtower

by metatron in

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the organization collectively owns a lot of property.

however, i believe they are thinly 'financed', if you will.. since contributions have sagged so badly in recent years, it leaves them vunerable to many different factors.. for one thing, i think that the organization was strongly protected from lawsuits by witnesses - or their relatives.

because such a thing was considered unthinkable, something you didn't do.

gitasatsangha

the end of that path is that they would have new light and encourage the remaining witnesses (almost certainly all of them left would be hardlinder families and the nutcases) to move to Witnesses communities. They'd be a step or two behind the Amish and Jonesville, but they could make up for lost time.