Just imagine that Jackson, Spinks etc are sitting in their Judicial Committees for lying or "bearing false witness" in their Royal Commission testimonies.
I know it's just a dream.
so, if lying or being deliberately misleading is a "disfellowshipping" offence, why haven't the brothers who lied to the australian royal commission been brought before a judicial committee?
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Just imagine that Jackson, Spinks etc are sitting in their Judicial Committees for lying or "bearing false witness" in their Royal Commission testimonies.
I know it's just a dream.
so, if lying or being deliberately misleading is a "disfellowshipping" offence, why haven't the brothers who lied to the australian royal commission been brought before a judicial committee?
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"Deliberate, malicious lying, bearing false witness."
This is a df offense, according to the elders book page 67.
(note: i apologize to the internet explorer users.
you probably can't see my first epic fail thread because i used firefox to post.
there's still some kind of glitch between a plugin i'm running, firefox posts, and ie.).
Great thread.
Learned a lot from it as I will be in a similar situation.
since this will be the norm in america, perhaps we should put a date on each of these topics.
can't really put school mass shooting because too many to choose from.
Rub a Dub
So you need guns everywhere.
Do you need guns in Kindergarten?
Do you need guns for 2 year olds?
Oh wait a minute. Not too long ago there were some 2 year olds who killed their mama or their brother because of playing with a gun.
But wait a moment....
Second amendment....
i've decided to go full public with a new username on this forum.
it's been almost a decade since i've been out and i don't care at this point who knows.
that being said, here's a letter that i'm mailing to bethel.
You wrote very well.
I doubt that you will ever get an answer.
I sent them letters too. I got an answer to a letter I wrote about proof that human life is older than 6000 years.
They brought up young earth creationists reasoning and that we have to trust the bible. Basically they said that the global flood changed everything and that all dating methods are not reliable for dates older than 4300 years.
I also mentioned ice core data and dendrochronology.
They didn't even try to refute these.
i am really struggling with this particular situation in my life, and i really need your help to readjust my thinking.
i am recently divorced from my ex-jw husband.
we were both disfellowshipped at around the same time about 2-3years ago.
I also recently got divorced.
The only advice I can give you. Don't concentrate on these matters that he does in his personal life now. As you are separated or divorced concentrate on YOUR life and things that make YOU AND YOUR GIRLS happy. Don't feel miserable about the things he does in his life, because this is not your life anymore.
Maybe with time passing you can at least be friendly to each other.
I would say be happy that he could leave the jw thinking and that he can enjoy his life outside of the watchtower. This way your girls can also benefit as they can spend time with a happy dad and that they will not be indoctrinated when they are with him.
Why didn't he act like that when he was with you?
Maybe because like you he was also a Watchtower victim.
But the most important advice I can give you. In front of your girls speak positive about their father and strengthen their bond with him.
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
You can believe in God AND think that evolution is true, that homosexuality is allright, that the acts described in the bible are just cruel stories invented by power hungry humans.
At least I do.
i took the most recent video on "obey" and edited it down to its core.
here tony explains that the decisions of the faithful slave are arrived at "collectively" but are not a "collection" of man made decisions.
it would be comical if it weren't so sad.. tony video.
Excellent video.
Note that just last month Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson said to the Royal Commission in Australia that it would be presumptious to say we are the only mouthpiece God is using.
Now I understand it better. He didn't mean they are NOT God's mouthpiece. He meant there are others too? Who are they? The pope?
At least the pope says beneficial things like banning nuclear weapons or to care for refugees or to take care to nature.
it's been years since i've prayed and the last one i prayed to was the god known as jehovah.
just wondering.
I still believe in a higher force who I believe to be the origin of everything.
I believe that every living thing is somehow connected to it. And I believe it is personal and also love.
So I pray.
But I don't believe or pray to the god of the bible.
has anyone here gone nuclear on their spouse and, all of a sudden, came out in the open as a jw opposer?.
by this i mean, sitting them down and saying: i no longer want to be a jw anymore, do not want to go to meetings or preaching anymore!
and, what has happened in the relationship after that?.
Over a longer period of time my wife came to understand, that I don't see the bible any longer as inspired of god, that due to the shunning of df da ones I no longer saw the watchtower as the true religion and that I would accept for my son and myself a blood transfusion in a life or death situation
At one point she said. "So then you live by your own religion." I said that I am following my conscience and my personal relationship to god."
I never hindered her in her faith and never tried to influence her. She just got to know how I feel about these matters. She was very upset that I stopped field service (however I went with her to all meetings).
But that was enough for her to separate. But I have to say that she was and still is a hardcore jw strongly influenced by her even more hard core pioneer mother who even shuns my jw parents because they have normal contact with me.
Now we are divorced. She tried anything to reduce the time I can spend with my lovely son. But I never gave up and was very determined. So the result is that the judge gave me time from Friday noontime till Sunday evening all 2 weeks with him. Thats great because she has the meetings on Friday night and Sunday morning. So every second week my son is spared from all the meetings and field service. And she had to accept that when my son is with me, she can't take him to the meetings. At the beginning of our separation her mother said, that I know that they would never ever compromise and always take my son to the meetings even if it is my visitation time. That was also a reason I had to go to court for my visitation right.
It was a hard time but I am happy to be able to live according to my conscience and trying my best to counteract on the indoctrination of my son. I won't do that by further indoctrinating him but to strengthen his critical thinking skills with a lot of love.
I wish you all the best. Every situation is different. If you and your husband have a lot of love and respect for each other it doesn't need to head for separation and divorce.