Posts by Daniel1555

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Told My Parents Yesterday That I Don't Want to Be a JW

by Saethydd in

i wasn't entirely sure what to expect when i made the decision to tell my parents how i really feel, but i was prepared for the worst, fortunately, it didn't come to that.

after i told them i didn't want to go to the meetings anymore it led to a long talk with them.

they made a number of irksome and woefully uninformed statements but at least they were not aggressive and have said that they won't force me to move out over this, though, i can tell they are hoping they can convince me to "accept the truth," as long as i still live with them.

Daniel1555

Very well... you are a courageous young person.

Make it known to them, that you love them no matter what they believe. And that you respect their religious feelings and that you like yours to be respected too.

To do that in general it is better that you don't try to convince from your position.

Sometimes discussions come... but then tell them "I feel that way....."

Their believe in Jehovah is obviously their purpose of life. They don't understand (at the moment) that life can even more be meaningful, when you believe differently.

All the best and good luck.

I am df'd and my parents still treat me the same as before.

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How long has it been since you have seen your family?

by Christian Gutierrez in

jw
friends

howdy guys!

so how long has it been since you have seen your jw family or friends?

or do you even care to have them in your life anymore?

Daniel1555

Hi Christian

I was with my parents just this evening and next weekend they will come with me to be with my son. I am divorced and spend every second weekend with him.

They do that, even though I was disfellowshipped for apostasy and they are good members of their JW congregation. We respect each others beliefs and every thing goes well.

I am proud of them, that they go against the shunning rules, even openly showing that.

I feel very much for all those of you who are not in such a lucky position. I think of you.

I am very happy to be able to freely live according to my conscience. That I am officially out of the org is a great thing for me.

And Christian and Katja, I love your videos. You are such a help for doubting JWs but also for those like me who already left. Thank you.

Love from Switzerland

Dani

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April 2017 Study Watchtower encourages you to defy The Society !

by BluesBrother in

at least, that is how i see it... the article "the judge of all the earth always does what is right".

paragraph 6 & 7 .

6 consider the experience of willi diehl.

Daniel1555

Crazyguy:

I think Willi Diehl compares his situation with how someone disfellowshipped (later) is treated. He just wanted to bring the point across that they were treated as outcasts and some brothers didn't speak to them for being married.

I knew him personally. It was a very loving brother.

However he was loyal to the organisation for his whole life and I think died at Bethel with more about a 100 years old.

So he probably didn't go further in his critical thinking skills.

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Has your name or reputation been maligned by the Witness gossip-mill?

by stuckinarut2 in

as we all know, witnesses routinely share in gossiping, slandering or maligning the name and reputation of those who are "spiritually weak" or ones who "fade" or "stop associating".. they feel it is ok to speak badly of such ones who "have left jehovah's organization".. of course, some of the worst perpetrators of this are elders and their wives, who insidiously plant negative stories in the minds of all they interact with in the congregation.

they may never have actual facts, but since when do facts matter to witnesses?

however through such conduct they manage to separate people from one another, or cause rifts amongst former friends.. this sort of conduct is plainly inappropriate.. but what scriptures could be used if the opportunity arose to confront such ones about the way they have behaved?.

Daniel1555

I was disfellowshipped for apostasy because I would allow blood and because i celebrated the birthday of my son.

An elder gossiped that the reasonfor my disfellowshipping was spiritism.

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Australian Royal Commission mentions that G. Jackson was inconsistent

by Daniel1555 in

it's great that the following is officially mentioned in the royal commission's report:.

when asked if the governing body members saw themselves as ‘jehovah god’s spokespeople on earth’, mr geoffrey jackson answered that it ‘would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that god is using’.

mr jackson’s response seems to be inconsistent with the documentary evidence before the royal commission, which shows that jehovah’s witnesses believe that the governing body is the ‘channel’ by which jehovah’s ‘will’ is communicated to them..

Daniel1555

So if you are hounded by elders with the "loyalty question" (Do you believe that the gov. body is the faithful and discreet slave), print page 14 of the ARC report and give it to them.

You don't even have to say anything. It speaks by itself.

And.... most elders know about the ARC.

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Australian Royal Commission mentions that G. Jackson was inconsistent

by Daniel1555 in

it's great that the following is officially mentioned in the royal commission's report:.

when asked if the governing body members saw themselves as ‘jehovah god’s spokespeople on earth’, mr geoffrey jackson answered that it ‘would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that god is using’.

mr jackson’s response seems to be inconsistent with the documentary evidence before the royal commission, which shows that jehovah’s witnesses believe that the governing body is the ‘channel’ by which jehovah’s ‘will’ is communicated to them..

Daniel1555

It's great that the following is officially mentioned in the Royal Commission's report:

When asked if the Governing Body members saw themselves as ‘Jehovah God’s spokespeople on earth’, Mr Geoffrey Jackson answered that it ‘would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that God is using’. Mr Jackson’s response seems to be inconsistent with the documentary evidence before the Royal Commission, which shows that Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Governing Body is the ‘channel’ by which Jehovah’s ‘will’ is communicated to them.

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What the Australian Royal Commission says officially about Shunning!

by Daniel1555 in

this is an excerpt about shunning from the royal commissions latest (final?

) report: i think it is a must read and shows clearly that shunning also needs to be considered when child abuse is discussed and how cruel it is.. here the report:.

jehovah’s witnesses are counselled against associating, fraternising or conversing with a person who has been disfellowshipped or who has chosen to disassociate from the jehovah’s witness organisation.

Daniel1555

The Washington Post brought the story. There is a thread on that.

I think many more will follow, as was the case during the ARC hearings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/28/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-protected-over-a-thousand-members-accused-of-child-abuse-report-says/

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What the Australian Royal Commission says officially about Shunning!

by Daniel1555 in

this is an excerpt about shunning from the royal commissions latest (final?

) report: i think it is a must read and shows clearly that shunning also needs to be considered when child abuse is discussed and how cruel it is.. here the report:.

jehovah’s witnesses are counselled against associating, fraternising or conversing with a person who has been disfellowshipped or who has chosen to disassociate from the jehovah’s witness organisation.

Daniel1555

Even if the JW religions would have everything right, all their teachings being true and beneficial, the practice or teaching of shunning former members would make it a false religion in my eyes.

To use their own illustration.

What if you find a candy lying in stinky mud? Would you eat it?

The JW organisation doesn't even have a candy to offer ;-)

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What the Australian Royal Commission says officially about Shunning!

by Daniel1555 in

this is an excerpt about shunning from the royal commissions latest (final?

) report: i think it is a must read and shows clearly that shunning also needs to be considered when child abuse is discussed and how cruel it is.. here the report:.

jehovah’s witnesses are counselled against associating, fraternising or conversing with a person who has been disfellowshipped or who has chosen to disassociate from the jehovah’s witness organisation.

Daniel1555

I think speaking to df'd relative must be a real problem for the gov. body.

They harshly portray their cruel stand in all their assemblies, now openly use the word 'shunning' in the title of their assembly talk, show it in a video how to go about shunning. They show it again in a video in their Nov. broadcast (just imagine the boy and girl where standing near the railway tracks or on a bridge on the edge to commit suicide and call their mother, and she doesn't take the phone according to these videos).

And now again in a Watchtower article.

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What the Australian Royal Commission says officially about Shunning!

by Daniel1555 in

this is an excerpt about shunning from the royal commissions latest (final?

) report: i think it is a must read and shows clearly that shunning also needs to be considered when child abuse is discussed and how cruel it is.. here the report:.

jehovah’s witnesses are counselled against associating, fraternising or conversing with a person who has been disfellowshipped or who has chosen to disassociate from the jehovah’s witness organisation.

Daniel1555

And now compare that what the new WT study article from March 2017 says on page 19:

Paragraph 7

Each of us can examine his heart to see if it is fully devoted to God. Ask

yourself, ‘Am I determined to please Jehovah, to defend true worship, and to

protect his people from any corrupting influence?’ Think how much courage

Asa had to muster to stand up to Maacah, who was “queen mother” in the land! You probably do not know anyone who acts just like her, but there may be a situation in which you can imitate Asa’s zeal. For example, what if a member of your family or a close friend sins, is unrepentant, and has to be disfellowshipped? Would you take decisive action by ceasing to associate with that person? What would your heart move you to do?