Ha! Good one!! There should be apostaioneers!! We should go for coffee and donuts!! Lol
ILoveTTATT
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Reverse-Witnessing leaves me mentally and emotionally drained...
by ILoveTTATT inhi dear friends!.
i am doing some stealth reverse-witnessing, and i have succeeded in at least two people seeing ttatt, one being my friend and the other being my dad (although my dad has a longer route to take to exit the wts, and i have to slowly chip away at the illusion).... the illusion of jw's is very strong.
they give an illusion of being moral and decent people, and that may be true just because the majority of the people they attract are just being deceived, or i really like to believe that and hope for the best.. what i hate and leaves me emotionally drained are jw apologists.
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Reverse-Witnessing leaves me mentally and emotionally drained...
by ILoveTTATT inhi dear friends!.
i am doing some stealth reverse-witnessing, and i have succeeded in at least two people seeing ttatt, one being my friend and the other being my dad (although my dad has a longer route to take to exit the wts, and i have to slowly chip away at the illusion).... the illusion of jw's is very strong.
they give an illusion of being moral and decent people, and that may be true just because the majority of the people they attract are just being deceived, or i really like to believe that and hope for the best.. what i hate and leaves me emotionally drained are jw apologists.
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ILoveTTATT
Hi dear friends!
I am doing some stealth reverse-witnessing, and I have succeeded in at least two people seeing TTATT, one being my friend and the other being my dad (although my dad has a longer route to take to exit the WTS, and I have to slowly chip away at the illusion)...
The illusion of JW's is very strong. They give an illusion of being moral and decent people, and that may be true just because the majority of the people they attract are just being deceived, or I really like to believe that and hope for the best.
What I hate and leaves me emotionally drained are JW apologists. It is extremely hard for me to listen/read their replies and not be shaken sometimes; I have to slowly leave the fear of "you will die at Armageddon"...
I have anonymous accounts on Facebook, Yahoo, and others.
One particularly tough reply to answer to is related to the blood issue. I mentioned to a JW in an e-mail conversation about the ban on vaccinations. Her reply was that A.H. McMillan had written about vaccinations in his book Faith on the March.
She said that since 1944 the WTS required all their representatives to be vaccinated. (She gave no proof).
Since the ban was lifted on 1952 (and we have the WT to prove it), how could this have happened?
Supposedly 1944-45 was when McMillan went to prison and explained to some in prison who were in solitary confinement because of refusing vaccinations. (See Faith on the March, pp.188-189)
What I understand is that, there was no specific, organization-wide BAN on vaccinations, just that a lot of Witnesses who read the magazines understood it to be so.
Can someone clear this up for me?
What can I reply to her?
Also, what can help me not be so shaken by my reverse witnessing and JW apologetics? It's hard, very hard to refute a half-truth/half-lie. There has to be a ridiculous amount of well-thought and well-presented evidence for me to "concede" to one side the victory or defeat.
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hi everybody..
by americanboy inhi friends,can i introduce my self?
i am luca from italy,31 years old,first off all be patience with my english....i'm working on it.... i write here cause i would like to know someone from usa e canada,my life project is to immigrate there..my collection of informations is just started,it's seems very difficult,but ,who know....maybe it could be possible :).
so,anyone want to greet me and help me?
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ILoveTTATT
Ciao! Come stai? Qui troverete amici, siamo un gruppo di persone di ogni genere. Perché vuoi emigrare negli Stati Uniti? Avere difficoltà economiche? Qual è la tua professione? Se è il fratello, poi ricordare Romani 13:1-2, cerca sempre di seguire le leggi di ogni paese. E 'molto più facile emigrare in Canada che negli Stati Uniti.
Hi, how are you? Here you will find friends, we are a group of many different people. Why do you want to move to the United States? Do you have economic problems? What is your profession? If you are a brother, please remember Romans 13:1-2, always follow the laws of the land. It is much easier to move to Canada than the US.
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Update for end of august
by ILoveTTATT ini have learnt to keep my mouth shut in public and my "real life".
this is a huge advancement.
i kind of screwed up by telling some of ttatt to someone about two weeks ago (the conversation just took a weird turn), but thankfully, he has even more "apostate" doubts than i do!!
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ILoveTTATT
Hey!! GREAT NEWS!!
One of the friends who I initially told TTATT (months ago) and then didn't tell him anything for fear he would turn me to the elders (starting like 2 months ago) just called me and said that he hasn't been to the meetings in 7 weeks because of what I told him, and that he's happy he's found a girlfriend who is not a witness whom he is in love with!!
=)
SOOOOOO HAPPY!! I have helped one life not be ruined by WTS!!
ILTTATT
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JW upbringing - the gift that keeps on taking
by Simon inthe things they take from you:.
first they take your childhoodthen they take your familyfinally they take your memorieswe all know that you limit your social interactions so you have few school friends who are not jws.
they openly promote this in their magazines and it's repeated at meetings throughout your formative years.
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ILoveTTATT
Malvinas:
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!
I have always noted that the "prodigal son" only came back because he ran out of options and saw his life was miserable. Had he used his money well and not had a need to come back, he would have never come back.
As you said, the shunning policy is a stroke of genius... evil genius, but genius nonetheless. Also keeps apostates from bringing down the house since you have a short period of time before you can convince others of TTATT.
Simon:
So sorry for what they have taken from you. I too, will one day experience your same pain. I am not looking forward to it... but I am also looking forward to the good things: I will have my life ahead of me. Also, I am happy for you that you kept your wife and children. Not minimizing your pain (It's horrible, and I am sorry), but just want to cheer you up by reminding you of the fact that you have your wife, who I am sure you dearly love, and your children, who again I am sure you dearly love.
I also want to cheer you up by saying THANKS A MILLION!! Your website can and has saved countless lives, both figuratively, and possibly, literally!!
You can build memories with us too!! If there are ex-JW's near you, and they can meet up with you, perhaps you can make new friends and... 5 years down the road, you will have good memories!!
Maybe renew your wedding vows or something with your new friends there?
I just want to cheer up the one who makes this community happen...
ILTTATT
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If albumin is allowed when it's not from blood, could white blood cells from mother's milk be allowed?
by ILoveTTATT ini think something that would totally "close the gap" with jw's and not accepting blood but accepting it through the fractions of fractions would be to harvest white blood cells from mother's milk (there are already mother's milk banks) and then transfuse them to witness patients who need wbc's.
since technically they are not from blood, i think it would be an interesting loophole.
anyone here know about a disease that can only be cured/treated with wbc's?
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Scully:
Thank you for that insight. So I guess in North America it's a no-no... not impossible but extremely unlikely.
What about doing the "proof of concept" in another country where the restrictions are a bit less? We just need an animal trial, that shouldn't be too hard to get, even in North America. Then a human trial, that would be hard to do...
Just remember, though, that with sufficient money and will, anything can be done. Even going to the moon, or going to Mars, or further than that...
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Update for end of august
by ILoveTTATT ini have learnt to keep my mouth shut in public and my "real life".
this is a huge advancement.
i kind of screwed up by telling some of ttatt to someone about two weeks ago (the conversation just took a weird turn), but thankfully, he has even more "apostate" doubts than i do!!
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ILoveTTATT
I have learnt to keep my mouth shut in public and my "real life". This is a huge advancement. I kind of screwed up by telling some of TTATT to someone about two weeks ago (the conversation just took a weird turn), but thankfully, he has even more "apostate" doubts than I do!! Even so... I shut up and I am hoping he does not go to the elders.
My dad is understanding the blood doctrine, and feels more and more disgusted at the WTS. This is a good thing, he is feeling the same dissapointment I felt when I learnt TTATT. He just needs more time to process things. I am trying to do fun things with mom and dad so that I can get out the real person. In conversations with mom and dad present, we talked about me reading the Kingdom Interlinear. I talked about words such as episcopos and diaconos. My mom said, "oh, isn't that what the Catholic Church invented?" and my dad came in and said, "Isn't diakonos the equivalent of Ministerial Servant"? and I was "That is correct, dad"... My mom was interested in the conversation... and at least she found out that some of the stuff that she thinks about other religions was wrong.
I am loving the idea of the internet's anonymity. I comment often on pro-JW Facebook pages or ask questions on Yahoo. I have various comments and I am helping many people learn TTATT in a forum that is seen by thousands. This helps ease the pain of not telling my friends and family. At least I am helping some people. Even one life not spent slaving for the Watchtower or one life saved because they are aware is happiness for me.
I am working to translate an apostate website. I have contacted other Spanish-speaking apostates and we are all communicating to further spread TTATT in the most matter-of-fact manner.
Thanks for reading!!
ILTTATT
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changed my mind from 8 years ago
by outforever inhi everyone - i am back but under the name of outforever.
i joined in 2005 under madmax - that is when i got dftd!
i then went to church and sort of joined - i then trusted in the "lord" and my eyes were open to all the nonsense that was taught to us - but just could not get passed all the hypocracy in the chruch and still they just like the jw are teaching nonsense - sorry to all the christians on the board, but after a lot of searching and reading and reading - i now believe that there is no god - no god at all.. especailly after reading on this board about the flood, and how the animals were placed.
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ILoveTTATT
I guess believing in God or not depends on a spiritual journey and what path that journey takes you on... For me, waking up to TTATT quickly led to waking up about the truthfulness of the Bible, so I do not believe in the Bible particularly...
How do I feel about God? I haven't had a bad enough experience in life to think that he does not exist... I feel I am a spiritual person and need some sort of belief in a Higher Power. Can I prove him/her/it? No. Can I disprove him/her/it? Perhaps...
It's just that the theories of things don't really answer all the questions... (Please start a different thread if you have the answers to this, or PM me if you wish to enlighten me)... I don't want to look stupid because I don't believe in evolution/abiogenesis, but these are sincere (and I hope), intelligent questions.
1. If every effect has a cause, what caused "God"? Was this a breaking of the second law of thermodynamics?
2. What explains order/design in living things? If there is order, then the second law of thermodynamics has been violated if there was no energy put into the system.
3. Why has evolution "stopped"? Has there been PROOF of a species mutating sufficiently so that it becomes a different, better species? (I think bacteria fall under this, there's a new generation every 20 minutes so.... 100 years of bacteria generations should be able to prove evolution)...
Neither religion, nor current scientific knowledge answers everything for me... and I feel that God exists... I just feel it, cannot explain it... Not saying that one day I will reach your same conclusion, maybe I will...
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Oh I thought JWs were just a "normal" religion
by fresh prince of ohio ini have found that, since leaving jws, that few "wordly" people seem interested in hearing my escape story (although some certainly have shown great interest).
when i've mentioned that i used to be a jw and that i left, the reaction i've gotten on more than one occasion is a "oh i thought they were just a normal religion", and not only that, it's like they just weren't at all even open to the idea that jws could be a really strange and cultish group.
on these occasions, i felt a little lost for words trying to explain to people just how crazy jwism is, because there's so much crazy to tell about, where do you even start?.
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Oh and... on the other hand, I now understand the weird reactions that I got when I told North-American (Canadian/American) people I am a witness. I would start talking about any other topic, the conversation was going well... we were all getting along, until somehow I mentioned I was a witness. Then their eyes would open up real wide and they would stammer and make an excuse to leave the conversation... I was always upset because of that... it was like people got scared...
Now I know why...
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Oh I thought JWs were just a "normal" religion
by fresh prince of ohio ini have found that, since leaving jws, that few "wordly" people seem interested in hearing my escape story (although some certainly have shown great interest).
when i've mentioned that i used to be a jw and that i left, the reaction i've gotten on more than one occasion is a "oh i thought they were just a normal religion", and not only that, it's like they just weren't at all even open to the idea that jws could be a really strange and cultish group.
on these occasions, i felt a little lost for words trying to explain to people just how crazy jwism is, because there's so much crazy to tell about, where do you even start?.
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For me, it depends. I have told Latin-American people from various religions, and almost invariably they agree that JW's are wrong doctrinally, then tell me not to lose my faith in God, and then possibly invite me to their church...
I guess for Latinos, you MUST have a religion... lol