A quick bttt before I go to bed hoping to get some links or PMs (or comments on my observations about Greg's debating technique)
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Greg Stafford Jehovah's Witnesses Defended book...
by Tuesday inhey everyone, just wondering if there's an online version of this book?
i don't know what it is about me but i have this natural aversion to actual paper books and would much rather read them online.
if anyone has an electronic copy shoot me a pm, or knows of a link where i can get an e-copy, links, i checked amazon and it's not an option to download for a kindle or anything.. the ongoing anal-retentive research for my project continues, any help would be fantastic.. thank you!.
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Greg Stafford Jehovah's Witnesses Defended book...
by Tuesday inhey everyone, just wondering if there's an online version of this book?
i don't know what it is about me but i have this natural aversion to actual paper books and would much rather read them online.
if anyone has an electronic copy shoot me a pm, or knows of a link where i can get an e-copy, links, i checked amazon and it's not an option to download for a kindle or anything.. the ongoing anal-retentive research for my project continues, any help would be fantastic.. thank you!.
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He seems a bit like a self-righteous blow-hard. Reading through this online debate he had is like torture.
He basically just kept sticking to the point "The trinity does not appear in the bible", then the other man in not-so-many words was saying that the concept appeared in the bible. The person he was debating though never thought to ask Stafford if he believed in the Paradise Earth. Then if Stafford answered yes then he could say that Stafford clearly believes in concepts that are not specifically mentioned in the bible because Paradise Earth does not appear in the bible.
I usually diffuse all this arm-chair scholar BS by simply asking this series of questions:
Where did you study Greek and Hebrew? Who did you Study under? What are their credentials?Nine times out of ten they're going to tell me they didn't study under anyone but they have done "mass amounts of research" to which I go with this series of questions:
Since neither you nor I would be considered scholars of either of these subjects if you do quote an "expert" then I quote an "expert" that disagrees with yours, where have we gotten? Which one of us is right if you have ten experts and I have ten experts, how can we tell which expert is right if we are not experts ourselves?I don't tolerate arm-chair scholars and I don't know why others entertain people like this. People like this it seems thrive off people trying to disprove their opinions because it gives them an air of authority and validates them doing "research". It would be like if an actual scientist ever debated Kent Hovind and his ascinine theories, it would give him the validation he so desperately wants.
Still I'd like to read this guys full book so I can see the entire arguments that it has, it kills me to know the guy would get my money at this point though.
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Greg Stafford Jehovah's Witnesses Defended book...
by Tuesday inhey everyone, just wondering if there's an online version of this book?
i don't know what it is about me but i have this natural aversion to actual paper books and would much rather read them online.
if anyone has an electronic copy shoot me a pm, or knows of a link where i can get an e-copy, links, i checked amazon and it's not an option to download for a kindle or anything.. the ongoing anal-retentive research for my project continues, any help would be fantastic.. thank you!.
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I've noticed that too about him defending his own beliefs which is mainly that God is not a trinity.
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Greg Stafford Jehovah's Witnesses Defended book...
by Tuesday inhey everyone, just wondering if there's an online version of this book?
i don't know what it is about me but i have this natural aversion to actual paper books and would much rather read them online.
if anyone has an electronic copy shoot me a pm, or knows of a link where i can get an e-copy, links, i checked amazon and it's not an option to download for a kindle or anything.. the ongoing anal-retentive research for my project continues, any help would be fantastic.. thank you!.
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I've read some of his stuff which is quite a dichotomy. I don't understand how someone can know and identify logical fallacies yet still defend the beliefs that he does.
Basically I'm thinking of writing a book and right now doing the research on it to see how feasable it is. You know my series "Tough Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses" on Youtube. This would be somewhat of a book form of it, but include the arguments that JWs will come up with based on the questions. I'm very much in the discovery phase of it, so I'm still feeling out how it's going to be written, how I'm going to write it, etc.
I figured since this man is apparently the foremost expert on defending JWs I should read his arguments for the doctrine and see what they entail. If his debates are any indication as to what his arguments are I'm not very impressed.
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Greg Stafford Jehovah's Witnesses Defended book...
by Tuesday inhey everyone, just wondering if there's an online version of this book?
i don't know what it is about me but i have this natural aversion to actual paper books and would much rather read them online.
if anyone has an electronic copy shoot me a pm, or knows of a link where i can get an e-copy, links, i checked amazon and it's not an option to download for a kindle or anything.. the ongoing anal-retentive research for my project continues, any help would be fantastic.. thank you!.
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Hey everyone, just wondering if there's an online version of this book? I don't know what it is about me but I have this natural aversion to actual paper books and would much rather read them online. If anyone has an electronic copy shoot me a PM, or knows of a link where I can get an e-copy, links, I checked Amazon and it's not an option to download for a Kindle or anything.
The ongoing anal-retentive research for my project continues, any help would be fantastic.
Thank you!
PMs welcome as always :)
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Rhode Islander here.
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Rhode Islander here.
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Emergency food,shelter and transportation Now being offered to desperate,endangered Bethelites.
by koolaid-man inthe current threating climate now existing in the watchtower organization is reaching extreme levels.
excessive, fanatical, uncompromising dictates are driving bethelites to the edge.
many are in despair actuated by a feeling of hopelessness.
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Hey there, this has actually been set up for months now through youtube. Follow the White Rabbit.
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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I did, dear Tuesday (peace to you!). No problem with speciation... except as to the homo genus
Sure, that's actually in the merger of chromosome 2 from 2 primate chromosomes. It's in that same Ken Miller speech that I linked to here as well. Once the merger of those 2 chromosomes appeared that was the speciation of the homo genus from the primate genus.
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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My question, which hasn't been touched (and dear TD's contribution does NOT touch on my questions)... although it WAS stated clearly (and so the repeated excuses that it is unclean, muddy, etc., are just false attempts to redirect the discussion TO the beliefs in evolution) was regarding the premise, belief, and so pushing... that the e.coli experiment was "proof" of "evolution." I vehemently agreed that it WAS... with regard to evolution of the SPECIES... but not BETWEEN species... which is the premise in human evolution. And certainly not between GENUS.
AGuest, did you happen to read my post a few pages back where I listed a HUGE number of "observed evidence of speciation"? Those are observed instances of evolution between species and genus.