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  NASA - then & now

  by Coded Logic in

  1. social
  2. current

  on january 10, 1962 nasa began developing the saturn v rocket (still the most powerful rocket to have ever flown).

  just five years later, on november 9, 1967, it flew its maiden flight.

  the total cost to develop and build the first rocket (apollo 4) was 185 million dollars (adjusted about 2 billion dollars today).. .

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  Zoos

  Facinating. I love this stuff. Thanks for the link, ttdtt.

  Just last week I had the opportunity to visit the Discovery shuttle at Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum.

  https://airandspace.si.edu/explore-and-learn/topics/discovery/about.cfm
  
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  JW Elder fired from bank for privacy violation regarding fellow JW employee

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "thou shalt spy on and report your brothers and sisters to hq.".

  https://www.tv6tnt.com/news/local/industrial-court-finds-there-are-limits-to-freedom-of-religion/article_5a485b94-a327-11e7-9c32-57b15184bc6a.html.

  editor's note: due to the nature of this story we've changed the names of the parties involved.

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  Zoos

  "Thou shalt spy on and report your brothers and sisters to HQ."

  https://www.tv6tnt.com/news/local/industrial-court-finds-there-are-limits-to-freedom-of-religion/article_5a485b94-a327-11e7-9c32-57b15184bc6a.html

  EDITOR'S NOTE: Due to the nature of this story we've changed the names of the parties involved. We're calling them John and Jane.

  The industrial court upheld a decision by a major commercial bank to dismiss an employee who accessed and disseminated another employee's personal information to members of his church.

  It's a case that reflects on exactly much levity there is in a person's right to freedom of religion.

  His Honour Mr. Herbert Soverall presided over the case and gave his ruling on July 28th. The documents were just made public.

  In August 2012 (according to a statement written by John to his union) while working the night shift, he and two other employees were going through the bank's back up hard drive in search of cheque register form.

  Within the drives, John said he stumbled upon sexually explicit material of a female colleague engaging in sexual acts with a man, who was not her husband.

  In the statement John said he is "an elder in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses." He said in his religion, such acts are prohibited, and "would bring reproach on the name of our Holy God Jehovah and would additionally disrupt the free flow of the Holy Spirit in the Christian congregation."

  John approached Jane on more than one occasion telling her what he knew. He implored her to come clean to the elders in the church.

  He wanted to "remind her of the vows that she made upon her baptism and assist her in restoring her relationship with her God Jehovah."

  By the third attempt Jane had had enough, and told him to "stay out [her] business." She reported John to her supervisor, adding she'd even report him to the police if the information he had became public.

  Nevertheless he persisted. John told the elders of the congregation what he had seen on the hard drive that night in his "desire to protect the cleanness of Christian congregations. "

  This led three elders of the church to visit the woman's home to confront her on her day off. She wasn't home at the time.

  In December 2012 the bank fired John for "gross misconduct."

  He had disclosed confidential information to a third party, accessed information about a staff member without authorisation, and copied the information onto an external storage device.

  In the termination letter the bank said that he had "violated or infringed on the rights of the staff member" which was in breach of the bank's policies. They had lost confidence in him, and believed he'd brought the bank into disrepute.

  The Bankers Insurance General Workers Union never sought to justify John's sense of righteousness in their defense. Instead they argued his disciplinary hearings were not properly conducted. The court ruled that after he'd submitted a written confession, the bank wasn't left with many options, and any attempt to postpone the hearings, as he'd tried, was "wasting time and delaying the process."

  In the written judgment the court ruled it wasn't appropriate to apply the principles of one's religion.

  "There is a time and place for everything under the sun," the judgment read. "The work place simply cannot be treated as one's church where religion can be observed and practiced with minimum control."

  The court argued that without control, the workplace could become "devoid of peace, stability and tranquility." Each religion would want to be paramount but no one could be.

  The judgment further reads, "by his demeanor and his testimony, the worker was adamant that he was right to disclose the information to the elder of his church. His defense was therefore based on his religious persuasions. That defense could not be accepted in our industrial relations systems as any worker could put forward such defense in response to an act of misconduct and expect to be exonerated."

  The union hasn't appealed the decision.
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  "You should worry when we stop knocking."

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what an arrogant thing to say.. "you shouldn't complain about us knocking on your door.

  you should worry when we stop.".

  wish i had a snappy response to shove up their pompous ass every time i hear a jw spew this..

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  Zoos

  Lots of great comebacks. Thanks, all.

  That 's hilarious, sparrowdown: "Why, because you will be banned." Oo snap!
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  "You should worry when we stop knocking."

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what an arrogant thing to say.. "you shouldn't complain about us knocking on your door.

  you should worry when we stop.".

  wish i had a snappy response to shove up their pompous ass every time i hear a jw spew this..

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  Zoos

  What an arrogant thing to say.

  "You shouldn't complain about us knocking on your door. You should worry when we stop."

  Wish I had a snappy response to shove up their pompous ass every time I hear a JW spew this.
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  I'm giving up in 2017! (More steps in my fading)

  by Skepsis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i joined this site at the beginning of this year, i was serving as an uber-zealous regular pioneer and ms in a foreign congregation where the need is greater.

  i was giving public talks and having parts at regional conventions.

  had started to have doubts but i hadn't time to focus on them, i simply was overcharged with so many activities and things to do.. i started by quitting pioneering but couldn't think i would give further steps for a long time.

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  Zoos

  In many ways it's like leaving an abusive spouse. You know it's the right and healthy thing to do... but you are still human with feelings and probably a lot of good memories.

  Until you can experience it for yourself, trust those of us who know, that leaving the TROOF is the best way of life. It's worth whatever you have to go through to get here.
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  Got gas pump witnessed this morning.

  by Darkknight757 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so on our way to hospital today i see a car load of jehovah's pull up to a pump a row over.

  i thought to myself, "not now!!

  " we were running late to nicu and of course these dummy's take this moment to drive up to give us some good news.

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  Zoos

  I read the title of your thread and for the briefest moment thought, “I tell you, if these remained silent, the gas pumps would cry out"
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  Need help finding a Watchtower quote

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mid to late 70's, watchtower made a comment regarding the constantly changing doctrines of "false religion" and how discouraging it was to their flocks.

  i can't remember enough exact key words to pull it from the archives but i know i have seen it quoted and discussed on this site.. thanks in advance for your help..

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  Never mind. JWFACTS to the rescue again.

  "Why is there this decline in religion?
  One of the reasons is that people are disturbed by what is happening in their churches. Yes, millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong. Have you, too, felt discouragement, or even despair, because of what is happening in your church? A businessman in Medellín, Colombia, expressed the effect the changes have had on many.
  “Tell me,” he asked,“how can I have confidence in anything? How can I believe in the Bible, in God, or have faith? Just ten years ago we Catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this. Now the pope and our priests are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe ‘new things.’ How do I know the ‘new things’ will be the truth in five years?” Awake1970 Apr 22 p.8

  "The reasons that people give for abandoning the churches are many and varied. Some in West Germany do it in order to be relieved of paying the church tax. More often, however, the reason involves changes in Roman Catholic teaching in recent years. These have confused many persons who thought that they had the true apostolic religion. As one Catholic priest in the United States put it: “If the things the Church has said in the last ten years are true, then everything it said for the last 2,000 years is false.”" Watchtower 1975 Jun 1 p.324
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  Need help finding a Watchtower quote

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mid to late 70's, watchtower made a comment regarding the constantly changing doctrines of "false religion" and how discouraging it was to their flocks.

  i can't remember enough exact key words to pull it from the archives but i know i have seen it quoted and discussed on this site.. thanks in advance for your help..

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  Zoos

  Mid to late 70's, Watchtower made a comment regarding the constantly changing doctrines of "false religion" and how discouraging it was to their flocks. I can't remember enough EXACT key words to pull it from the archives but I know I have seen it quoted and discussed on this site.

  Thanks in advance for your help.
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  How Far Up The Ladder Did You Go In JW Land?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i pretty much did it all.

  vacation pioneered as a youngster and became a regular pioneer out of school.

  i became a ms then an elder.....the organization pushes you to be somebody within the confines of their realm.

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  Zoos

  I made it all the way to part time auxiliary pioneer, mike handler and sound dude.

  Ooooh, touch me!
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  Just because something is old, does not mean it is "Special" or "Sacred" or "Valuable"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a thought occurred to me that simply because something is old does not make it valuable or worthy of sacred reverence.. the bible is held up as sacred just because it is "old" and apparently preserved.. but, that does not make sense.

  if in thousands of years someone finds a notebook of my scribbles or sketches that i threw away, that doesn't elevate them to "valuable status" simply because they survived.

  they were thrown away because they were worthless.. or if an archaeologist finds an ancient broken bit of pottery that was used for garbage disposal, it doesn't change its status from what it once was - a garbage bin.. i guess what i am trying to ask is, why is it that we as humans give value to writings just because they are old?.

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  Zoos

  One of the reasoning points offered by WT that the bible is the WORD OF GOD is that it has survived all these years through so many attempts to suppress or destroy it.

  With that kind of reasoning, it makes the bible special, sacred... valuable.

  All in how you twist it.