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  Untheocratic!

  by Atlantis in

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  how can it be said that gods visible organizationwas made strictly theocratic or was fully theocratic in structure by 1938, when there are revisions and changes from time to time in organization instructions?.

  .. first of all, we must recognize what is meant when we say gods visible organization was made strictly or fully theocratic.

  the term theocracy means god rule or rule by god.

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  It amazes me how people can even be bothered with any of this. What's the fascination?
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  Poster with basic math on shunning - for JW parents

  by Fernando in

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  2. beliefs

  your thoughts on such a poster?.

  (http://religions.pewforum.org/reports says: "jehovah's witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition.

  only 37% of all those who say they were raised as jehovah's witnesses still identify themselves as jehovah's witnesses.").

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  Well that was a waste of time...
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  Do you like the people in the Bible?

  by Dis-Member in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the society always speaks about all the wonderful people and characters in the bible.. they always too speak of many of them as being so humble, faithful, loyal, diligent, loving, kind, wise, merciful etc, and worthy of imitation.

  also of how god blessed them followed by endless examples and reasons why we today should imitate them.. .

  they also speak of how wonderful it would be to meet some of these people in the future 'new system' and have often depicted scenes where the the survivors of armageddon would be gathered around some ancient resurrected faithful asking them questions and listening to their stories of times past.

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  Interesting to hear who people would like to meet.. but rather then just that I'd like to know peoples feelings good or bad on all those Bible characters.. do you think you would even get on with maby of them? Like them? Make them your friends?
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  Have you had a crisis of concience?

  by new hope and happiness in

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  2. friends

  my little boy has decided he wants to be a vegetarian and has been for over a year now.

  i fully accepted and supported this.. my view however is no matter what you eat or how you eat it ....beings will die for you to eat.. i have noticed where we live we have the terms " free range" and " ecological".

  if affordable i am sure most peoples preferrd option for their own health and the conditions of the animals.. i would say everyone has the right to eat what they want within reason.

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  I have recently changed to a vegetarian diet for about the last 6 months. For the moment I still have milk, eggs and cheese and dairy products till I can find suitable protein alternatives but all meat has been removed from my shopping lists. Not for ethical reasons though.. just health ones.

  I love and feel a great deal towards animals and am sure as time goes on and I learn more how animals are treated in the food industry that my motives will become more ethical and I will cut out eggs and dairy too.

  I have to say though since quitting all meat I feel better, sleep better, feel lighter, have more energy, more stable moods and emotions, feel less anger and aggression too. My shopping bill is substantially cheaper as well.
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  Come on! Tell it like it is. People are LYING when they tell you, "I've read the Bible."

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  go ahead.

  tell me.. "i've read the bible cover to cover.

  i don't believe you.. it is damned near impossible!.

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  The NWT audio version is just awful. Old men with that 1950's overly exaggeratedly formal and grandiose style that I find condescending and wearisome. Sounds pretentious and artificial to me. No one on earth speaks like that except maybe the GB when giving a talk. I downloaded the whole thing once but deleted it after listening to just one sentence.
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  Poster with basic math on shunning - for JW parents

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your thoughts on such a poster?.

  (http://religions.pewforum.org/reports says: "jehovah's witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition.

  only 37% of all those who say they were raised as jehovah's witnesses still identify themselves as jehovah's witnesses.").

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  Poster with basic math on shunning - for JW parents

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your thoughts on such a poster?.

  (http://religions.pewforum.org/reports says: "jehovah's witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition.

  only 37% of all those who say they were raised as jehovah's witnesses still identify themselves as jehovah's witnesses.").

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  144,000 New Light update

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  i updated the list of partakers to 2013 (see below)...if i was to predict as to what new light might be coming down the borg poop shoot may be.

  i would predict that they need to do something about the 144,000 being a literal number.. for two reasons:.

  1. the number of partakers is increasing every year.

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  Maybe the money is symbolic too..
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  Do you like the people in the Bible?

  by Dis-Member in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the society always speaks about all the wonderful people and characters in the bible.. they always too speak of many of them as being so humble, faithful, loyal, diligent, loving, kind, wise, merciful etc, and worthy of imitation.

  also of how god blessed them followed by endless examples and reasons why we today should imitate them.. .

  they also speak of how wonderful it would be to meet some of these people in the future 'new system' and have often depicted scenes where the the survivors of armageddon would be gathered around some ancient resurrected faithful asking them questions and listening to their stories of times past.

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  The society always speaks about all the wonderful people and characters in the Bible.. they always too speak of many of them as being so humble, faithful, loyal, diligent, loving, kind, wise, merciful etc, and worthy of imitation. Also of how God blessed them followed by endless examples and reasons why we today should imitate them.
  
  They also speak of how wonderful it would be to meet some of these people in the future 'new system' and have often depicted scenes where the the survivors of Armageddon would be gathered around some ancient resurrected faithful asking them questions and listening to their stories of times past. You would so often hear brothers and sisters talk about which Bible characters they would really like to meet from the Bible and why. But I for the life of me was not able to find anyone that even remotely interested me.
  
  Apart from maybe Jesus there was not a single character in the Bible that I would ever want to meet. I used to fantasise and imagine myself in the 'new system' and try to think what I would be doing. I always saw myself getting as far away from humanity as possible and taking off up a mountain and disappearing into some deep dark forest and being more with animals and nature than human society.
  
  The thought of having to go to any kind of meetings in the new system frankly made me ill. I think I would just run away to my forest and never be seen again. I often felt a little odd when on the ministry working with an elder and him asking me which Bible character would I like most to meet and talk too.. and me answering 'Nimrod'.
  
  People like Noah, Moses, David, Solomon, all those endless Kings and Prophets held no interest for me whatsoever.. in fact I don't think I would even like any of them. Would I like to meet the Apostles? Not really.. Paul? Timothy? Peter? Nope. So many of these characters to me seemed like arrogant, self obsessed bully's. I definitely never liked David or Paul that's for sure.
  
  I have always only really been interested in knowing God or Jesus.. and maybe some angels and that's it. Humanity has just never really done it for me. If anything reading the Bible has given me the impression that humans are rather disgusting and capable of being more oftem than not completely horrid.
  
  What were/are your feelings and thoughts on this when and if you believe/believed in this stuff?
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  Come on! Tell it like it is. People are LYING when they tell you, "I've read the Bible."

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  go ahead.

  tell me.. "i've read the bible cover to cover.

  i don't believe you.. it is damned near impossible!.

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  I tried reading the NWT from Genesis straight through to Revelation many many times and one time I actually made it. Things got really tough when I got to Isaiah as I found all the prophets utterly arid. I never could get an iota of benefit from any of those books. Matthew to Revelation was somewhat easier. Reading from Acts onwards made me realise that I did not like the Apostle Paul very much at all. He always seemed to come across as a bully to me.

  A year and a half ago I got an audio Bible read by Max Maclean and listened to him reading the entire Bible from Gen to Rev which took me 52 days. Even a fair bit of that was hard going at times and I think I did did it more out of a sense of obligation and guilt and as some kind of self-imposed penance and duty rather than a joy or pleasure.