Yeah jgnat... Yeah. Next time pay more attention.
OBVIOUSLY what unstopableravens was saying is that they should get the death penalty and be "born again" while walking the green mile... Duh.
Yeah jgnat... Yeah. Next time pay more attention.
OBVIOUSLY what unstopableravens was saying is that they should get the death penalty and be "born again" while walking the green mile... Duh.
i've spent the last few years examining my core beliefs to test what still stands.
i've let go of an inviolate bible, demoted jesus to a failed prophet, and god as unable to act against injustice.
our universe made itself.
Are you asking if religion is man's way of exploiting the tribal impulse - or if rather evolution has amplified the impulse thus "creating" the religious mindset?
Or am I misunderstanding the crux of your question?
(I do that... I also rephrase questions a few times when I'm asking people, so as to ensure they "get me". It pisses my friends off constantly that I project that insecurity upon them in conversation, makes me sound dogged even when I'm unsure of my position)
You don't believe it.
We don't believe it.
Thread dead.
If you substitute "supernatural" for "super human", I think the objection to the logic of the question becomes more obvious.
Ok, serious answer for you.
No.
if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?
for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?
and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?
not a very shocking headline, but it's true.
the witnesses are always pointing at things and attributing them to jehovah's direction.
every religion in the world does that.
Thank him for the good stuff and you have to blame him for the bad.
i think there are many that still want to believe in a god but just aren't sure.. personally, do you believe in a god?.
are you a "spiritual" person?.
The bible is a crock.
God? Seems unlikely to me.
i'm glad that i had biblical doubts - which led me in turn to ttatt.
happified in fact.. for those of you who escaped the wt because of abuse or malice on the part of people in your congregations: are you glad?
(obviously not glad for the abuse itself).
Curiosity killed the cat and all that jazz.
Ta for the replies folks (kate and flipper: gz for not being sidetracked by my awful phrasing, youz makeing i feel not more dummerer)
this is my first post on jwn, and i would like to take a few lines to introduce myself.. i currently am still in the organization, though my conviction in the last 1-2 years is more or less agnostic/atheist (closer to atheist).
i am an ex-elder and mts graduate, having served in another 3 congregations, apart from my home one.. the reason for the above-mentioned conviction shift has to do with science and rational, logical thinking generally, and with the grand theory of evolution, specifically.
it took me long, endless sessions of hard reading and study of serious scientific literature (plus cross-matching all the quotes and claims in jw evolution-related literature), to finally make the shift from utterly firm religious belief to doubt, and then to lack of religious faith.
I've only been here a couple of heartbeats myself, but welcome.
This place is a Hitchenssend.