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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  You still do not get it search. Read Reborns recommendations to me. That is why I talk to you now. You said that it was "the best documentary you have ever seen." And you base that on the awards it was given? For it's truth? Search your alias betrays you. Thanks again for proving my point to all of this.
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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  Time lapse? No. I just happen to remember what people say. And I hold them accountable for it. What's wrong with pointing out what you have written in the past? Is it "old light?" Your "source" now is like your believing that "Bowling for Columbine" is the best "documentary" you have ever seen. You merit that as a worthy source so powerful that it should be shared while I ask people to take the time to watch a real documentary like "In Search of 9/11." (Which I doubt you have seen.) Granted I have not gone as far as to talk about that yet [on this thread] and the reason is I have noticed that everything I put up is dismissed but all of your type propaganda is accepted. Just pointing out the facts sir. I predict that the next carping thread will be the US "Occupation of Iraq." [any bets?]
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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  Jayson

  21-Apr-03 16:09 Thread Conspiracy Theory or Conspiracy Fact?
  
  
  Search says;
  
  
  "I get my facts from lots of different places.
  
  Michael Moore is very sarcastic and too pro Democratic party to be totally believed but most of what he says checks out.
  
  I've got to say tho' 'Bowling for Columbine' is one of the best documentary's i've ever seen."
  
  
  Nice come back about looking in the mirror it made me laugh.
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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  searchfortruth let me get this strait what you posted WAS the article? Your right I missed the point of that. God search your adding to this thread really does help Simon's case. And you just blow my point that you guys are not offering anything of merit out of the water. No wonder you claim that ALL of Moore's sources for his book and movie "check out." And that also reminds me of Simon saying "that despite people saying he is a communinst he is really a member of the conservative party." Ya and Mike Moore is a member of the NRA so he supports individual gun right.
  
  
  I give information sources like these when the political threads come up
  
  The Threatening Storm
  
  
  
  
  
  
  World on Fire
  
  
  IBD articles on the Swedish think tank who broke down the money trail to Iraq
  
  Idelologies "politics in action"
  
  
  
  
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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  searchfortruth,
  
  
  I'll read the article if you provide a link or post it here. All I found on Mark were at lies.com. And the things he says there are not worth my time. They go alot like your comments, "Turns out it really was a big joke after all. The war, that is. All a big fat nasty murderous oil-licking lie, a sneaky little power-mad game with you as the sucker and the world as the pawn and BushCo as the slithery war thug, the Dungeon master, the prison Daddy. You really have to laugh. Because it's just so wonderfully ridiculous. In a rather disgusting, soul-draining sort of way."
  
  
  And that is just not worth a comment.
  
  
  You also say, "See, there are NO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. No WMD's at all. Isn't that great? What's more: There never were."
  
  That is another one of your guy's "facts" huh? Not your opinion either right?
  
  You say, "Go figure. Those lowly U.N. inspectors were right after all. Who knew?"
  
  
  I guess I did miss where the UN gave Iraq the declaration that it was clear of WMD.
  
  
  You say, "It was all a ruse. We've been sucker-punched and ideologically molested and patriotically sodomised and hey, what the hell, who cares anyway, we 'liberated' an oppressed people most Americans secretly loathe and fear and don't understand in the slightest, even though that was never the point, or the justification, or the goal."
  
  
  Americans loath and FEAR and just don't UNDERSTAND but you do right?
  
  
  Your term "Psychopatriots" since this thread is directed at myself and another that lable was never meant as a backdoor insult now would it? Oh no I'm sure not you guys never give insults. You just cry when they are given back to you.
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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  Your are right Reborn because of what you said I will respond to you. But not for the last word. In your last post you say once again that I call you

  Simon's lap dog

  Now I still have not seen where I said this. I guess you missed it the last time you said that I gave you that lable. When you did I said this about it.

  14-May-03 11:42 And I did not see where I called you a lap dog. If I did then I am sorry

  And again Reborn I have not seen where I said that. But if I did than I apologize. I meant the apology then and I mean it now.

  Reborn if I were to comment on the need for education regarding another claiming that I am superior, when they offer something of merit don't treat them like crap. Unless you are looking for a fight. Which I think you were so I gave it to you. I could give you many many quotes editorials and books as reference to the Iraqi situation Reborn. I clip them and have been since before 9/11. Even if I give you more sources and more quotes about all of this Reborn really do you care? Would you have if I had made the choice to not be such a horses ass? You, Simon (him more than any other) and the others who take your stance really keep giving political carping and nothing else. Maybe I am the only one who sees it that way and if so than I stand alone. But I do not see merit in this thread I see carping.

  Can you differentiate between fact and opinion?Can your feeble little one-track mind sense that?

  Is this the high road for you Reborn. You act like the insults only fly one way. And about "the book" Reborn I said there are many other books but that one is like CoC. It is very well done. But again as I keep saying you dismiss it.

  It is like dismissing CoC when wanting to understand the JW's, yes there are other books and other ways. But, that book is something that everyone should read. Reborn I don't know how to explain that more clearly.
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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  I am not some extremist as the poster Jayson likes to insinuate foolishly. However I find it extremely odd that no WMD have been found, when that was the primary justification for the war, and the "coalition of the willing" has free reign to travel and inspect anywhere they like in the country of Iraq. Despite possessing the most advanced intelligence in the world, the CIA (with aid from Britain's MI5 and Israel's Mossad, both assisting US intelligence, and many other nations in the coalition), they have not found any WMD. Is it not also peculiar that if Hussein did possess WMD, NONE were used against American forces (whom he and others vehemently HATE) in order to defend his stranglehold on power? He did not hesitate using chemical weapons on his own people, but did not use any on US forces (more importantly if you discuss the Islam perspective, infidel invaders of holy land) and allowed the country (Baath party rulership) to be conquered? Any logical person would question that.

  Reborn if you are going to treat me like I am brainwashed and you are a scholar then you should have more than your opinions and a political hack to back you up. There were 5 choices open to the US about Iraq.

  1. Rebuild containment to last long term

  2. Rely on deterrence (meaning our oun nukes pointed at Iraq to stop future aggression.)

  3. Covert operations (coup d' e'tat)

  4. Create another Afghan situation by arming Kurds and Southern Shieks.

  5. Full scale invasion which will remove the Iraqi regime, scour the country for WMD, and rebuild a stable, prosperous Iraq.

  "The Threatening Storm." Kenneth Pollak. P.xxix-xxx

  Invasion was chosen and it was the right choice. This pretense that WMD was the single and sole reason for the course taken is false. It has been proven so by many people here. If you refuse to look at the sources that I offer you even though you say "look at both sides" then it's not that you are extremist its that you are exactly what you accuse me of. You want me to do all your work.

  Simon's pretense that WMD must be found right now is wrong and ridiculous. His accusations of horror and US blunder used to be the lack of the Museum policing and the massive looting that he complained about. Now that the massive looting has turned out to be a few dozen peices and not 170,000 he is off to the lack of location of WMD. He also says that Iraq is justified in attacking US/UK planes in the no fly zones that have been in place for years. He says they are defending themselves from our bombing runs, that the planes fire when fired upon is a fact that eludes him. He ignores all the things that have gone on in Iraq as a direct result of Saddam's leadership. That is one of the things that kick me off the most.

  It seems that all the people who agree with Simon on this refuse to look at any of the things that shed light on why so many Americans have the attitude that they do. It is very frusterating.

  Valis as always you are right.
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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  Jayson

  http://www.fff.org/issues/listsxm.asp
  
  
  Reborns author is an advocate of the Libertarian movement. Above here are all of his Bush & other essays. I will let you decide if he has an agenda when he writes or not.
  
  "I refuse to do all the work for you. Educate yourself. I have limited respect for people who are lazy and unwilling to examine the facts objectively from both sides."
  
  
  And now I call you out Reborn. I challenge you to read "The Threatening Storm." by Pollak.
  
  http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=0D3WNJTUVZ&sourceid=00393694018023735242&bfdate=05%2D15%2D2003+00%3A07%3A46&isbn=0375509283&itm=1
  
  
  Sorry, it is very long and there is not much sensation to it. But it is in depth about Iraq, Saddam, all the countries that have a stake, and the US. It is about where we were, where we are, and where we are going. Educate yourself Reborn. Only you will know if you take on my challenge or if you are a hypocrite.
  
  
  And I challenge anyone who wants to have a better understanding of the situation to read the book that I have linked to BN. For those who will not I will no longer waste my time.
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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  Oh C H A R L E S,
  
  
  I am not arguing. After Redubs comments about e d u c a t i o n I told him to look at what I had put forth in the begining or F O. Same comments to you Chuck. And Washington is usually Democraticly controlled at least almost always in anything controled by the big three counties, it is anti Republican in those counties which the power centers. Thus your "Get rid of Bush in 2004 comment applies. When you said so simply "Vote him out." Minus your stupid Bush hate dribble I thought there is an reasonable answer to all of this on the topic. You saw an opportunity to join a fight and here we are. None of you have offered anything worth reading. Your opinions don't count for jack. This is such a dub session. It [this thread] only applies to your carping about Bush and the US policy. There is not any merit and you all know it. I am quite sure history will prove me right. For that we will have to wait and see. Not that you will ever accept Bush was right and those who are in power have information that you don't. In your reality you are right and anyone who will not bend to your will is wrong. The lack of the WMD in Iraq to date do not prove Simons case or yours.
  
  
  The patriot act..That we are loosing all of our freedoms? Really..How many wiretaps after the passage has there been compared to before? Has the sunset been done away with? Your fear of it is like crying the sky is falling. Dumb, dumb, dumb, just like you. Is the end of the system just around the corner? Just wondering I thought you might have a bead on that as well.
  
  
  I wondered why Bill would ever accept any help in his cause if you trash him. Now I know, you lure people in and then shit on them. I'm sure there are a few here who could elaberate on your M O but I am not willing to really go there. So either look at what I have been putting forward in book form and not TV sound bites or the ahole opinions put forth. Take the time to read a real book if there is an ounce of man in you. I really don't think there is. And until you do F O manboy.
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  Question about JW's and adultery

  by Sally in

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  if a single jw brother and a married jw sister have sex (secretly wishing that her husband commits adultery so she can divorce him) and they get caught would her husband be able to divorce her no problem and wouldn't they just be df''d for a year?

  then after a year could they be reinstated and then be together?

  they are both very popular as they are both good looking, friendly and lots of fun.

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  Sally, This is an issue that I watched my family go through. It was also one of the "mores" that I lost all respect for the relgion over. I call them "Godly approved" divorces. Just grab a friend and have a fling as a prelude to ending a bad marraige to keep God happy. In my family the adulter and adulterous cried to the elders explaining that they only did it to have Jah's approval to end his bad marriage. And they were privately reproved; That's it. Now I am 100% against the shunning. But to have such bias loopholes. God why not just slip at $20 to each Elder before the hearing. It is my opinion that ending a marrige is a death. It in itself is punishment enough for the 2 people and the family, friends and the social organizations to go through. But that is my take on it. It would be nice if they worked at true love as hard as they work at making rules and forcing compliance to them. Jayson