Posts by latinthunder

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

latinthunder

My point was that the fruits of any particular group of people is not the best way of determining who has the best canon or rather translation (since the WTS has the same canon as the protestants).

I am not talking about who has the best scripture, I am talking about true scripture vs false and the means of distinguishing between them. When a group of people get together to translate a Bible, they are doing so in order to follow it as a law. All one needs to do is observe whether or not the fruits of the Spirit are manifesting in the community following that law to determine whether or not the law is good or bad. In the case of the RCC it was bad people, good law, and the in the case of the Watchtower it's bad law, good people.

What is wrong with simply looking at or asking Christ... for Truth?

I have never implied there is anything wrong with asking the Word for truth.

That is Christ. That is what my Lord remind me of, to share with you. Compare to Hebrews 4:12

The Book of Matthew states that Christ did not come to bring peace, but a sword. If he IS a sword, then how could he also BRING a sword? Ephesians says that the sword of the Spirit is the word of God. This is talking about SCRIPTURE, you know, what you hold in your HAND, like you would a SWORD. He brought the sword and now we arm ourselves with it. You are wrongfully conflating the Sword of the Spirit and the Word of God (capital W).

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

latinthunder

Or maybe they are meant to be spoken and heard. It doesn't have to be as black and white as you are making it. In either case, I did not say specifically meant NOT to be written down... they just don't HAVE to be written down.

Not only must words be written down, they also must be protected. How do you believe that protection is attained?

Using your example on the wts... then we would also know that the 'RCC canon' is false, by observing THEIR fruits. Though they have changed a great deal now as society has changed, and as they have been held more accountable, but we can look at their history, and know that the fruits they were producing (torture, executions, persecution, slavery, etc, etc) were of darkness as well.

There is nothing in the 66 book cannon that condones any evil the RCC committed, they went far beyond what was written. They were abandoning their own principles, as spelled out by scripture, by committing the evil deeds in the first place. That's strong evidence that their cannon IS scripture because when you follow it correctly, your life improves and when you follow it incorrectly, you fall into sin. I am compelled to agree with Steven Fry and wish the best for the Catholic Church rather than judge it's people as a whole. Reformation of the RCC can bring forth a powerful force of good in the world and they are making those changes. The Watchtower, on the other hand, would rather turn up the heat on their young than reform, it's very painful to watch. The RCC fruit is NOT as the Watchtower, there's no good way to be a Jehovah's Witness. The NWT and it's vast array of confusing commentaries is NOT on the same level as the RCC Cannon. It's a shameful fraud and a side by side comparison shows this as clear as day. When the Jehovah's Witnesses start opening hospitals and orphanages we can start to think about drawing a comparison. The Watchtower are Catholic wannabes.

The key part of your post here is the bolded part. The scholars are saying this...That is why I asked why YOU believe the author of Hebrews is speaking of 'word'... rather than... 'Word'. What, other than the placement of a small w over a capital w?

Yes, the "scholars" who just so happened to vehemently disagree with each other to the point of execution and exile. Yet, even through all of that horror, they managed to agree to put a lower case w for Hebrews 4:12 and an upper for John 1:1. That is corroboration of evidence which is scientific. Do you deny the scientific process of truth?

Because it is not one book. It was turned into one book... but the bible is many books, and letters; prophets, law, history, witness accounts, revelation, poetry, etc, etc. Many books - as you said yourself.

The question really is does the book work? What is the book's purpose? The answer is in Hebrews 4:12, it's designing to cut to the bones and judge the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. So, if it doesn't do that, it's NOT scripture. All 66 books of the RCC cannon meet the criteria and billions of people testify to that. The NWT, and it's commentarires, on the other hand, is fraudulent and designed to subvert the truth of the 66 book cannon (cause destruction). That RCC cannon took an incredible amount of work in order to create and the Watchtower spits on it.

I'm not denying God anything. I am just denying the trinity.

The Trinity is a concept that can only be discovered through very vigorous study. In the past the resources needed to accomplish the study were well beyond the common man. With the advent of the internet, that has changed. I would suggest doing more research and with an open mind.

Your understanding would imply that the Spirit (the third person in your trinity) was in existence before Christ?

No, they are coequal and coeternal, always the same, never changing. At least from our perspective.

Because when God said, "Let there be LIGHT"... that LIGHT is Christ. (I am the Light of the world) Life. Separating Light (life/Christ) from the darkness.

You are saying that in Genesis 1:1 there was no light even though the heavens and the earth were both CREATED. Heavens have stars and stars are LIGHT, what you say is not making sense to me. Christ was sent by the Father into a world of darkness, that's what he said he was he "light of the world."

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

latinthunder

And words are not always mean to be written down.

Christ was strongly against secrecy. Words that are specifically meant NOT to be written down would be, by definition, secret. What good is a secret word? Words were meant to be written down. Truth is not hidden.

And once words are written down, they can be changed, mistranslated, etc (scribal errors/lies due to misunderstanding, etc)

Yes, they can be changed, which is precisely why the writer of Hebrews tells us that the word of God is alive. He is showing us the difference between true scripture and false, which I have given the details of in a previous post. In short, scripture that has not been tampered with will "go to the bones" while falsified scripture will not provide that effect. It's as simple as seeing night from day. The New World Translation, for instance, is nothing but falsified scripture, or darkness. How do we determine that? By observing the fruits of the ones who follow it.

Can you not provide what I am asking/

I did provide what you asked, but you are not accepting it, and you still have not answered my first question, "what is the difference between the use of the word logos at John 1:1 and Hebrews 4:12 ?" Every single translation of John 1:1 has a capital "W" when rendering the word "logos." The word "logos" doesn't mean Christ by default, it actually means "a word (as embodying an idea), a statement, a speech" by default. Our posts for example would fit under the term "logos." However, when you take a look at the translations of Hebrews 4:12 you see the vast majority rendering a lower case "w." This is because the scholars understood that what was being referenced was the written word, which was originated by The Word. They are saying that the written word of God is alive because it's empowered by The Word of God. There is a clear difference in the term being used in John 1:1 and Hebrews 4:12.

Well, the process of scripture actually starts with HEARING the Spirit.

What does hearing the Spirit sound like? What does wind sound like? What does water taste like?

Then it is written. But we weren't talking solely about scripture, because I agree that the Word of God is the source of scripture (but not all that is written is scripture, even in the bible)... but we were talking about the Word of God. The Truth, the Image of God: All being Christ.

All 66 books in the RCC cannon are fully scripture. I don't see how you can say that a certain part of the book is scripture and a certain part is not. The book is either usable as scripture or it's not. There is no inbetween as you seem to be implying.

We are not given anyone or anything to look at other than Christ, to see and know God.

Yes, the Word as the orginator of the written word, or scripture.

Father and Son are titles, roles. Not names. That is why they each HAVE a name, as well as roles, as well as titles. Same as God is a title, and not a name.

"Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name". The Father's name is The Father. He has many names actually, but the best name for Him is the Father. The Holy Spirit's name is the Holy Spirit and the interesting thing about that is there are no other names given for the Holy Spirit (except for titles such as "Advocate, "Comforter" but no names such as Jesus, Yahweh/etc). The Holy Spirit is unique in that respect and it's because it doesn't want any credit, never has and never will. However, it needs to have a designation and that's the Spirit/Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, not the Word of God, not Yehoshua, not Immanuel , not Christ. It's astounding for me to see you deny the Holy Spirit's existence simply because you believe it lacks a name.

I am not denying the Spirit.

Saying that the Spirit and Christ are the same person IS denying the Spirit. It's saying that the Spirit, the third Element of the Trinity, doesn't exist and never did. You are subtracting God (3-1) and therefore denying him his own existential nature. It's no small matter.

what does that have to do with Paul saying that the Lord IS the Spirit?

Have you looked up the Greek word for "IS"? It means " I exist, I am " which would tie in with my previous posts. It is not saying that he is the same person as the Spirit, but is saying that the Spirit exists in the same way as The Lord Christ. It's assigning the Spirit it's proper Eternal status as compared to the Word who was there in the beginning and WAS God. The Word IS God, and the Spirit IS the Word and they all existed in the beginning and created the heavens and the earth (Elohim). The Spirit that hovered over the waters in Genesis 1:2 was not the person of Christ, it was the person of the Spirit.

I am not, however, getting involved in a trinity debate.

The question asked in this OP is answered by Trinity theology quite eloquently. The Spirit is with us while we await the return of the King who gives us strenth to live in this barbarous world. The Spirit is NOT the King, the King of Kings is the King.

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

latinthunder

Some people learn just by listening... and they don't forget what they have learned. Not everything has to be written down in order to be remembered. Or learned, taught, etc. There is the spoken word.

Words are meant to be written down. An oral language is limited and falls away in time. The only way to sustain words through history is to write them down. My statement was meant as a heuristic and you took it quite literally. Once words are written down you have to protect them or else they will be changed (destroyed) over time. This is very difficult, but all is possible with God.

Yes, I am following you up to this point. What I am asking you to do is to show me where in the book of Hebrews are you led to believe that Hebrews 4:12 is referring to scripture, over the Word (the source, as you are speaking of here, that SPEAKS)

I did, I pointed you to the Greek word "logos." The writer was pointing out that even though scripture appears inanimate as ink and parchment, it's actually full of life. He is saying that scriptures are living breathing documents (2 Tim 3:16).

Can you provide something to back your statement here please?

The writer of Hebrews 4:7 claims that David's words were sometimes considered God's words as in the case of Psalms. Meaning the process of scripture starts and ends with a pen. That's the power of words, you can write them down and refer back and they come by way of inspiration.

No, it is not a name.

Yes it is, just as father and son are proper names in the right context. Why do you think the Spirit is represented by 7 eyes on a lamb in Revelation?

I am not sure if you are trying to describe the trinity at all here... but even the trinity does not state that Jahveh (Yahweh) IS Christ or that Christ IS the Holy Spirit. That would be the opposite of separate persons... and didn't you just try to tell me that Christ was not the Spirit? Is that not a contradiction?

Being equal with something else doesn't make you exactly the same. For instance I can be among two other humans and be considered equal to them. Even though our ages, genders and experiences differ, we are still equal in that we are all humans. We share the same nature and are given equal rights associated with that nature. The same is with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All three share the same divine nature, but exist as three separate persons.

But Paul said the Lord is the Spirit

Yes, he was refering to equality of nature, both the Spirit and the Lord are God just as you and I are human.

and didn't you just try to tell me that Christ was not the Spirit? Is that not a contradiction?

The Lord is not the Spirit in the way that you claim, that they are the same person. They are separate persons who share the same nature. One Being, Three Persons.

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

latinthunder

Not all words are meant to be written down.

...just the ones you want to remember.

But you are still not understanding what I am asking. What in the text here in Hebrews, leading up to this verse, leads you to believe that the author is speaking about scripture? Can you quote from the text what leads you to that conclusion? That is all I am asking you.

I am having trouble understanding your confusion. It's quite simple, really. The Word in John 1:1 is the source of the word mentioned in Hebrews 4:12. Just as the Word was the source of David's words in Psalms. The Word is the source of scripture. The writer of Hebrews knew this and was describing the final result, which is scripture.

David recieved the words he wrote from the Spirit.

In what way, though?

There are also only two names. The Father has a name; the Son has a name; the Spirit, if He is a third entity, does not have a name. But He does if He is Christ.

"The Spirit" IS a name. Regardless, there is actually only ONE divine name, the Highest Name which was given to Christ Jesus (Philippians 2:8-11).

Paul himself calls Christ the Spirit.

Yes, Yahweh = Christ = The Spirit all are coequal, coeternal and separate persons.

You can, however, test scipture simply by asking Christ and listening to what the Spirit teaches (the spirit will lead you into all truth)... and against love... and against what CHRIST is written to have said. Because Christ is the Truth.

Exactly, the Spirit will LEAD you to truth as wind does a ship at sea. It directs you to safety.

We are to listen to Him. No one and nothing else OVER Him.

Even if his words don't make sense from a human standpoint? ;)

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

latinthunder

What in the text supports this conclusion that you have drawn? That is what I am asking.

The Greek word "logos" means "reasoning expressed by words" and words are meant to be written down. The writer is instructing the reader as to the nature of holy scripture, which must have the characteristic of piercing the soul of man and judging his actions. Paul was referring to the written word at the time: Jewish Scripture as he quotes King David's work in Psalms. How do you think David received the words he wrote down? Was he aware that God was speaking through him as the writer suggests in Hebrews 4:7? Was Paul aware that he was writing scripture?

then you might want to reconsider whether or not you truly have faith and are learning from Christ, the Spirit.

Christ is not the Spirit. If he were then Matthew 19 would say to baptize in the name of the Father and the Son/Spirit only. Rather, it says to baptize in the name of all three, not two.

Not everyone is changed by reading the bible; even scripture in the bible.

That's why King David said " Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." Scripture is counsel and a human in a state of pride (a hardened heart) will not heed the counsel. It would be like going to a professional counselor, but then not taking their advice. The words were written down to be applied. That's how you test scripture, by applying them in your life and observing the results. You can even watch others apply and observe their results. The confimration is attained by trial and error, like everything else. Paul claimed that scripture, no matter how old, will always retain value for " teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness ." If someone doesn't get any value out of Christian and Jewish Scripture, they haven't applied the word correctly.

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

latinthunder

I'm still not sure what about that passage makes you believe he is speaking about scripture here though.

It's not a belief, it's a natural conclusion of the text. He is speaking about scripture as told by the author: the Word (Logos). The writer is describing the human experience when engaging with scripture and therefore the Logos. It will FEEL like it cuts to your soul and judges your actions. Similar to someone having an epiphany after watching a play, reading a book or a viewing a film. Something as simple as a poem or a song can "pierce the soul" and cause someone to feel strong life altering emotions. This is the experience that the writer is intending to portray, that is the "voice" of the Spirit.

as the Spirit is confirming that what was written is true and was from God?

That's just the thing, the writer is giving the instructions on how to test it in the scripture. If it doesn't change your life from the inside out for the better, then it's not from the Logos. True Scripture moves people into positve action and life progress, false scripture leads them into confusion and life destruction. That's why the Book of Revelation ends with a warning not to tamper with it's written word. Any alteration would lead the readers to destruction (plagues) rather than revelation.

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

latinthunder

How do you know that? What makes you think that is what Paul is referering to here (if it is Paul)?

I think whoever wrote it was a Jew and a well studied one at that who understood the true spiritual authorship of Jewish scripture. He describes how one might identify scripture from non scripture. If it doesn't "go the bones", it's not from the Logos and therefore NOT scripture.

One may of course write down the word that God has spoken... I hear what you are saying; though today, He speaks through His Son... hence, the LIVING Word of God. But when a person begins to look at the bible as the image, word, and truth of God... INSTEAD of at Christ, who is all of these things... they are raising something else up OVER Christ.

It would be hard to find a professed Christian who'd admit they put the Bible over Christ. All would likely say they believe the opposite. How do you know when someone is putting scripture over Christ?

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

latinthunder

Latinthunder, why do you think that Hebrews 4:12 is referring to scripture?

The "voice" of the Word of God was written down which is what's being referred to. I look at the scripture as similar to the adage "the pen is mightier than the sword." My point being that it's not a heresy to call scripture the word of God as Paul did. For example if I tell you something and you write it down you can call it "the word of latinthunder" without it being my literal voice.

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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?

by smiddy in

he/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.

fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.

with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.

latinthunder

Adamah, you (and many others) speak about the bible as though IT is the Christ (the word of God, the image of God, the truth of God).

Tec, what is the difference between the use of the word logos at John 1:1 and Hebrews 4:12 ? It would appear that Paul used the term "word of God" when referring to Scripture. Was he wrong to do so?