Posts by latinthunder

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When did Theology Last add something to Human Knowledge?

by cofty in

to illustrate my question.... i am watching an episode of the australian tv program "q & a" on youtube.

the panel includes the brilliant laurence krauss, gay bishop gene robinson, the woefully ignorant and bigoted rev fred nile and a few others.. the early questions put gene robinson under the spotlight and to be fair he comes across as a loving, compassionate, intelligent and - in his own words - "fabulous" person.

by contrast the reverend nile is a caricature of everything that is dispicable and hateful about theism.. a self-righteous young man in the audience asks gene how he deals with the bible's condemnation of homosexuality.

latinthunder

The calls for equality, tolerance, social justice, an end to poverty and care for the planet are not being led by religion.

You are just baiting people now, which is a form of trolling. Of course religion is for equality, tolerance, social justice and an end to poverty. The problem, as Einstein said, is that we have stomachs[1]. Religion has been heralding to the world for thousands of years that we must all get along and love each other to succeed as a species. Science just confirms what theology ultimately concludes. It's divisive to assert that theology is obsolete and has nothing left to teach us which goes against both scientific and theological values.

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When did Theology Last add something to Human Knowledge?

by cofty in

to illustrate my question.... i am watching an episode of the australian tv program "q & a" on youtube.

the panel includes the brilliant laurence krauss, gay bishop gene robinson, the woefully ignorant and bigoted rev fred nile and a few others.. the early questions put gene robinson under the spotlight and to be fair he comes across as a loving, compassionate, intelligent and - in his own words - "fabulous" person.

by contrast the reverend nile is a caricature of everything that is dispicable and hateful about theism.. a self-righteous young man in the audience asks gene how he deals with the bible's condemnation of homosexuality.

latinthunder

If you don't mind, I would like to when theology was greatest that knowledge in the following questions:

MadGiant, I didn't say scripture > knowledge, I said theology > knowledge.

Care to elaborate, other that evolution I don't see who.

Evolution is not a mindless process.

This is just your opinion.

No, it's my theological conclusion.

No we don't.

The majority of humanity believes in a higher power. Yes we do.

Care to submit proof.

Care to summit proof.

No need to because it's self evident.

And that's the problem. Every believer have a different depiction of his/her deity.

Diversity is required for evolution.

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When did Theology Last add something to Human Knowledge?

by cofty in

to illustrate my question.... i am watching an episode of the australian tv program "q & a" on youtube.

the panel includes the brilliant laurence krauss, gay bishop gene robinson, the woefully ignorant and bigoted rev fred nile and a few others.. the early questions put gene robinson under the spotlight and to be fair he comes across as a loving, compassionate, intelligent and - in his own words - "fabulous" person.

by contrast the reverend nile is a caricature of everything that is dispicable and hateful about theism.. a self-righteous young man in the audience asks gene how he deals with the bible's condemnation of homosexuality.

latinthunder

In other words you can't think of anything at all that theology has contributed to human knowledge in recent years.

Here is a list of human knowledge I refered to in my posts:

God is Love
The human mind was designed with the ability to upgrade itself
Theology isn't Science
Spirituality is personal and difficult to express to others
Religion is a human experiment and comes with pitfalls
Humanity relies on God for strength
Existence is infinite
Everything happens for a reason
Not everyone agrees on theological results

Remember, Einstein said imagination is more important than knowledge. That's because he understood the true power of the human mind. He understood that we make it up as we go along. Like I said, imagination and theology are inseparably linked. Therefore:

theology > knowledge

There's some math for you.

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When did Theology Last add something to Human Knowledge?

by cofty in

to illustrate my question.... i am watching an episode of the australian tv program "q & a" on youtube.

the panel includes the brilliant laurence krauss, gay bishop gene robinson, the woefully ignorant and bigoted rev fred nile and a few others.. the early questions put gene robinson under the spotlight and to be fair he comes across as a loving, compassionate, intelligent and - in his own words - "fabulous" person.

by contrast the reverend nile is a caricature of everything that is dispicable and hateful about theism.. a self-righteous young man in the audience asks gene how he deals with the bible's condemnation of homosexuality.

latinthunder

Sudoko and crosswords can also be mentally strenuous. As far as I know nobody gets awarded a PhD for solving puzzles.

Huh?

Is there something more specific that you think theology has contributed to human knowledge?

The issue here is that one can study God their whole lives and only yield personal benefit. That does fall under the category of "human knowledge" but I assume you are speaking about knowledge that everybody can use. Theology isn't about linear discovery, that's what Science is for. If 100 people follow 100 spiriutal paths you get a pile of "human knowledge", but it only benefits the individuals. It's sort of encrypted within the individual human experience.

A pitfall of religion is that they take a spiritual path tread by a prophet and then try to impart that experience onto others. It's been shown to not necessarily work which is why they often have to develop systems of enforcement which just puts them on the path of desolation. I think the human experiment of religion has taught us that spirituality is a deeply personal pursuit. I am not saying that we shouldn't share and compare notes, but it's going to be difficult to translate.

Theology teaches us how we can rely on God for strength. It teaches us that the universe is not a finite place and that things happen for a reason.

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When did Theology Last add something to Human Knowledge?

by cofty in

to illustrate my question.... i am watching an episode of the australian tv program "q & a" on youtube.

the panel includes the brilliant laurence krauss, gay bishop gene robinson, the woefully ignorant and bigoted rev fred nile and a few others.. the early questions put gene robinson under the spotlight and to be fair he comes across as a loving, compassionate, intelligent and - in his own words - "fabulous" person.

by contrast the reverend nile is a caricature of everything that is dispicable and hateful about theism.. a self-righteous young man in the audience asks gene how he deals with the bible's condemnation of homosexuality.

latinthunder

Theology adds to the human vault of knowledge every single day. The study of the Divine is the most mentally strenuous action any human can take. Such mental work yields a high personal gain, much like lifting weights and building muscle. We were designed with the ability to contemplate the infinite, this is not by accident. To say theology has nothing left to teach us is pure silliness.

The greatest discovery man has made on this front is that God is Love.

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When did Theology Last add something to Human Knowledge?

by cofty in

to illustrate my question.... i am watching an episode of the australian tv program "q & a" on youtube.

the panel includes the brilliant laurence krauss, gay bishop gene robinson, the woefully ignorant and bigoted rev fred nile and a few others.. the early questions put gene robinson under the spotlight and to be fair he comes across as a loving, compassionate, intelligent and - in his own words - "fabulous" person.

by contrast the reverend nile is a caricature of everything that is dispicable and hateful about theism.. a self-righteous young man in the audience asks gene how he deals with the bible's condemnation of homosexuality.

latinthunder

Sab - If your point is that theism is nothing but human imagination I can only agree.

My point is that theism and the human imagination are inseparably linked. This is because God is beyond the natural.

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When did Theology Last add something to Human Knowledge?

by cofty in

to illustrate my question.... i am watching an episode of the australian tv program "q & a" on youtube.

the panel includes the brilliant laurence krauss, gay bishop gene robinson, the woefully ignorant and bigoted rev fred nile and a few others.. the early questions put gene robinson under the spotlight and to be fair he comes across as a loving, compassionate, intelligent and - in his own words - "fabulous" person.

by contrast the reverend nile is a caricature of everything that is dispicable and hateful about theism.. a self-righteous young man in the audience asks gene how he deals with the bible's condemnation of homosexuality.

latinthunder

If there is any reality behind the myths, why did it have to wait for science to take the lead in human progress?

Science isn't taking the lead in human progress, humanity is through things like science and theism.

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When did Theology Last add something to Human Knowledge?

by cofty in

to illustrate my question.... i am watching an episode of the australian tv program "q & a" on youtube.

the panel includes the brilliant laurence krauss, gay bishop gene robinson, the woefully ignorant and bigoted rev fred nile and a few others.. the early questions put gene robinson under the spotlight and to be fair he comes across as a loving, compassionate, intelligent and - in his own words - "fabulous" person.

by contrast the reverend nile is a caricature of everything that is dispicable and hateful about theism.. a self-righteous young man in the audience asks gene how he deals with the bible's condemnation of homosexuality.

latinthunder

Is it possible to defend thesim from the accusation that it is now, at best, obsolete?

"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand." - Albert Einstein

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Musings about different types of atheist!

by Seraphim23 in

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a thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.

or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.

after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?

latinthunder

Hey, don't blame me: you exposed yourself as a nebbish, a putz.

Lets check out the definition of the word: "putz":

a stupid or worthless person.

Now, lets check out the definition of the "ad hominem" fallacy.

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument.Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as an informal fallacy, more precisely an irrelevance.

I was going to address your last post back in the thread you were talking about, because your position is seriously errant, but it's clear to me that you lack the ability to keep your arguments from going personal. Effectively rendering any communication we have as entirely pointless.

I'll leave you with this rhetorical question: How much information can you gather about someone without knowing their name?

Adam, leave them to it, they have sn agenda not a real interest.

Yeah, my agenda is to have a good time, but people like you seem to always get so serious. My suggestion is to get over yourself.

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Musings about different types of atheist!

by Seraphim23 in

jw
friends

a thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.

or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.

after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?

latinthunder

You admitted above that you thought 'the Talmud' was the 'Hebrew scriptures'. Which only begs the question: so what in the World did you think 'the Torah' was, then?

The Torah is a standalone document which is why it has a name. I mistakingly switched the Talmud with the Hebrew Scriptures minus the Torah. What is the Hebrew Scriptures minus the Torah called? My point was that the documents have been proven to work in "training in righteousness." That point still stands despite your attempt at distraction.

How could ANY advice you have to offer be taken seriously, if you don't even know the NAMES of the books you claim to find helpful? You seem to be just another dude willing to make up crapola, just to act like you know stuff that you really don't?

This shows a flaw in your method of determining credibility. I never claimed to be a scholar of Hebrew Scripture, I will make amature mistakes, but nonetheless my approach to Scripture is uniquely valuable. You seem to be very quick to discredit entire bodies of work with simplistic reasoning. It shows an agenda hidden behind your front. You are not here to validate, but to invalidate. But I thank you for exposing the flaw in my understanding, at least I know where I was wrong and can pick up the peices and move forward. Unfortunately, you want to use it to kill my entire ideology. Again, this says much more about YOU than it does my body of ideas.