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  Tina - Put up, or shut up!

  by Amazing in

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18103&site=3.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18103&site=3.

  regards,tina edited by - tina on 28 june 2001 6:52:50 http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=7500&site=3.

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  Venice....whomever you wish can be in this one...just remember...one of them takes a bullet, so make the person who gets it....Mr. T or something
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  Is this it??? JWD Armageddon?????

  by ashitaka in

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  are the fair peoples of jwd turning on each other?

  if so, we might as well leave right now, or get all of this horseshit out of our systems tonight.

  i'll tell you what, any self-respecting jw coming here would see what asses we're all making of ourselves, and stay a witty based on the behaviour their witnessing here.. please people, this is an intervention.

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  TR,

  {scottish accent}

  Like stout tree-trunks, they are!!!!

  AH, to have a stumpy woman and a porter!!!

  ashi
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  Tina - Put up, or shut up!

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18103&site=3.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18103&site=3.

  regards,tina edited by - tina on 28 june 2001 6:52:50 http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=7500&site=3.

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  Imagine if society as a whole still deemed pistol duels ok?

  What fun. Just buy me a popcorn and a coca-cola, along with some cheese fries.

  Almost the same as these threads, except in this version, I'm drinking beer and lusting after the cheese fries down the street at the kick-ass italien joint.
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  Don't Masturbate

  by bboyneko in

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  LOLOLOLOLOLOL

  classic.
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  My new illustrations for those who have asked

  by seven006 in

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  here are a few 3d illustrations that i have recently finished, a few of you have asked to see some of my new work so i posted it here, i hope these images aren't too big.

  i have just finished a quick and dirty html site to show a little bit more work, here is the link.. http://sumagroup.com/maloneart/.

  i hope this works!.

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  Dave...LOL
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  Ashi's Apostasy---Part 5 Upward Spiral

  by 25ashitaka25 in

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  time has passed; things have quieted.

  it was a nice, relaxing time, with a few jw hiccups here and there, just general gossip and harassment from the wife's parents...nothing new.. then, my sister met a wonderful guy.

  and it just so happens he's a jw....that's where the similarities with the religion end.

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  Time has passed; things have quieted. It was a nice, relaxing time, with a few JW hiccups here and there, just general gossip and harassment from the wife's parents...nothing new.

  Then, my sister met a wonderful guy. And it just so happens he's a JW....that's where the similarities with the religion end. he's patient, quiet, non-judgemental, kind. He loves my wife and I, and the feeling is mutual.

  This guy is decent and real in every way, which I'm very happy about. But, this opens up another can of worms.

  After their engagement, they announced that they want us in the wedding, and because of our 'slightly' apostate status, they couldn't have the talk in a hall, or have it given by an elder.

  When my father asked three elders in the back room why he couldn't have it in the hall, good old anointed PO told daddy that we were dangerous, and that he would do everything in his power to make sure that no elder gave the wedding talk, unless we were taken out of the wedding. Now, although my father is an ass many times, he stuck up for us this time.

  'This is my son and daughter, and I love them, and they WILL be in the wedding.'

  'Not in our congregation.'

  'Fine,' my father said indignantly (as he reported), 'transfer my records to the ******** congregation. This is my last meeting here.'

  As my father walked out, the PO shouted, 'Don't think that changing congregations will make it any easier to have that wedding in THIS hall!'

  My father was surprised at the harshness of the 'brothers'. When I asked him why, he said he always had wanted to see that brotherly love that was so often talked about. I told him he'd never find it in the witnesses. He just looked at me sadly. He's still going, and quite happy in his new congregation. But that only lasts for so long as we all know.

  My sister was getting heat on two fronts now. Her man was getting hounded by his father about us being in the wedding, and the poor lad lied to his pop because he was so afraid of his wrath. Such is the control of the witties.

  Amidst these little dramas came the UN debacle.

  I remember going over my mom's when no one was home. I think I was doing the wash when we began complaining about the witnesses again.

  Now, my mother had been a quiet dissenter for years, hated service hated the meetings, and hated the people in the hall. But she just couldn't quite get herself to renounce everything. Until I told her about the association with the UN.

  Then it all come crumbling down for her.

  During the conversation it went something like this:

  'Yeah, no one even talks to me anymore, I don't even know why I go.'

  'Well, as if that weren't bad enough, they're in the UN....whatever.....such crap.'

  My mom was silent for a few minutes.

  'What about the UN?'

  I told her and showed her the stuff that Hawkaw posted.

  That did it for her. Now she's a full blown apostate. Even calls the witnesses a cult, which infuriates my father to no end, but it's still funny to me.

  Then it came to my wife's parents that Water and I hadn't been to a meeting in a couple of years.

  We got a call one afternoon in the fall from her father. I knew exactly what they were talking about because I heard the word UN, many, many times during the conversation. I made sure I played Jimi Hendrix's Freedom in the background, and loud.

  Her father cautioned her against reading apostate literature.

  She cautioned her father against blind faith.

  It wasn't the nicest of conversations. Water was pretty upset afterwards.

  I think that's what started the offical, 'Ashi and Water are apostates' line.

  It got worse after I found out from somehere in the forum that one of my old friends DA'd herself because she was molested and nobody believed her. I was infuriated. Now I know why people refused to talk about her hospital stay with me.....she had tried to kill herself. Now I know why she DA'd herself and left her husband-to-be. People didn't let me know the truth because I would have made in issue out of it.

  I felt so guilty that I hadn't been there to support her. I was never her best friend, in fact, I had always considered her a little shallow, but no human deserves to be treated that way, and I was probably the only person with a history with her that could understand her plight. But she was gone, moved somewhere far away. I hope she's happy now.

  Anyway, one of the times that my father interrorgated me as to why I wasn't going to the meetings I said in my best witnessspeak,'I don't spiritually dine with hypocrites.'

  I told him about the UN thing, the Nazi stuff, the girl's molestation, etc. He was shocked, but felt better after he went to good old PO again and asked him about it.

  'Well, AshiDad, I haven't heard about anything like that, but I'll look into it.'

  Meaning-I'll look into disfellowshipping your son.

  So far, my family was moving towards getting out. My mother was moving in that direction, my little brother and sister refuse to have family studies, (which resulted in a few bad experiences with my father as a lot of you already know), and other good news that I'll report in my last part of this caper...

  Ashi and Water Goddess---Officially Apostate
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  Ashi's Apostasy--Part 4 FBF's Committee

  by 25ashitaka25 in

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  so many things happened that i havent mentioned.

  my wife almost died of an asthma attack along with an allergic reaction in 1999. in 2000, we saw all of our friends abandon us.

  yet, we as a couple were as strong as ever, and continue to be.. in the fall of 2000 my brother-in-law did something remarkable.....he said no to the abuse his parents were bestowing on him.

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  So many things happened that I haven’t mentioned. My wife almost died of an asthma attack along with an allergic reaction in 1999. In 2000, we saw all of our friends abandon us. Yet, we as a couple were as strong as ever, and continue to be.

  In the fall of 2000 my brother-in-law did something remarkable…..he said no to the abuse his parents were bestowing on him. After weeks of threats, he finally told his parents he no longer wanted to attend the kingdom hall. He told them that they treated him like dirt, and if they were examples in the congregation, he rather be thought of as a bad person than a ‘good’ Jehovah’s Witness.

  It escalated when his father tried to throw him down the stair several days later. Bro-In-Law left, called us, and we picked him up. They accused him of running away.

  This lad is a tall one, big and strong, but gentle as a lamb. He has some minor learning disabilities, but his parents showed how disappointed they were in his lack of mental prowess on every occasion.

  I remember a time when I was first dating Water Goddess that they MADE him read a difficult passage in the bible in front of me to shame him. It didn’t work. Instead I suggested that I read the rest of the scripture, which I did. I love my Bro-In-Law……I don’t know anyone as unselfish as him, so eager to please, but that wasn’t enough. ‘Brothers’, and his parents alike thought him to be retarded and regarded him as such. Bastards.

  No wonder, then, that he wanted nothing to do with a religion that ridiculed him when he couldn’t read a scripture right, or called him unspiritual when he was so afraid of public speaking that he refused to give talks. Yet, his parents tortured him with his “returning to his own vomit.”

  Well, Bro left, and came to live with us. No more meetings, no more ridicule. In one year, he went from a suicidal, ulcer-ridden fellow, to a strong, loving, thick-skinned man, who is back living with his parents, but on his own terms. It’s not perfect now, but they told him he doesn’t have to go to meetings, and when they do mock him for not being a witness, he makes a wry joke and lets the insult roll off of him. I think we did the right thing in letting him stay, because his parents would’ve torn him to spiritual pieces until he killed himself. Then, they would’ve been guilty for three days until the elders told them it was Satan and his system that was to blame, and not their incompetence and judgmental attitude.

  During his stay we were informed that we had been marked. Those words. They had even talked about us to the CO, telling him how dangerous we were.

  You know, it’s amazing to me. While I was a witness, people hardly noticed that I was alive, but as soon as I thought something contrary to the collective thought, they ALL took notice of me. The JW religion is a police state that cannot be freed be the finest mind. They have to be relieved of their burden, one at a time, by family members.
  I’ve left out a whole lot, but you can guess what kind of scandal ensued when we took her brother in, and it was discovered that we weren’t attending meetings anywhere. Probably about 10 congregations who knew us were contacted. Pretty crazy stuff. I never knew we were so important, but I guess one good apple can purify the whole bunch.

  Well, in the midst of these family dramas, a friend calls and says, “Ashi, I need you to sit down. I’m going to disassociate myself.”

  Was I shocked? Of course. Upset? By no means. For the first time, I was able to speak my mind about everything.

  That conversation lasted five hours. He told me about the Nazi scandals, we discussed the dates problems, the generation teaching, everything. It was the most enlightening conversation of my JW life.

  When I was done I made the decision. I was going to get my entire family out of this disease of a religion, and I was going to get them ALL out, not leave one to the jaws of the dragon.

  My friend’s story is better than mine, and a whole lot more intelligent. But, in the end, he was made to recant his story, his DA, by his elder brother, “so the family wouldn’t be shamed.”

  But that friend is still with me, and is doing better. I’m happy I could bring at least two of my friends from the abyss with me.

  Then, in the midst of this friend DA’ing himself, my Bro-In-Law living with us (and my wife and I becoming instant parents to an emotionally needy eighteen year old), my sister met a WONDERFUL man, and he so happened to be a JW. But, that is the crux of our apostasy…that comes in a later installment.

  Last year, before the memorial, FBF calls up, and leaves a message. For once, he sounded cheerful, and full of life, like I used to know him as.

  I decided to call back, and we made arrangements to have dinner together.

  We met at a familiar restaurant. When he saw me he started. I was fatter, smiling, with a handsome chin beard, with my lovely wife at my side. It obviously wasn’t what he expected.

  We sat down to dinner, and told him of our recent trip to Scotland, and life in general. He was very, very uncomfortable.

  Now, I know this man. He was my best friend for 7 years. I mean, I can pick apart a person in ten sentences, and I knew this shallow fellow for 7 years. I knew exactly why he wanted to have dinner with us when I saw his face. He was there to counsel me. I even could see the outline of the pocket bible through his coat. Fortunately, my wife didn’t see this or even think anything was amiss. She’s a real firecracker when she’s angry, and his rear-end would’ve been smarting for a month if she knew what he was up to.

  We went back to my place afterwards, picking up some brews on the way.

  I flipped on the computer, and we both sat down next to it as I played funny things I had gotten off of the Internet. Because I knew what was coming, I asked Water Goddess to leave and get some Ice Cream Sundae makings at the store.

  When she left, he hit me with it.

  “Ashi, I wanted to talk to you about a few things.”

  “Sure, but let me fill me mug to it’s brim, eh?” I said with my best Irish accent.

  I considered whether I should avoid the conversation as I poured the beer into our mugs, and I said to myself, what the hell?

  When I walked back in I saw that he had the bible out. I laughed.

  “What’s funny?”

  “Nothing Captain. What’s up?” I hand him his beer.

  He puts it down and says, “I’m real happy to know that you and Water are very happy but I was concerned because I haven’t seen you at the meetings. I just wanted to ask……”

  “yeah?”

  “Do you still believe in the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses?”

  I stopped for a microsecond, and remembered that Judicial Committee long ago. That had been the first question they had asked me. Now, FBF was no elder, so someone MUST have sent him. I thought quickly and said,

  “FBF, my not going to meetings is not a question of doctrine…it’s a question of people. I need time away for a while to get my thoughts together. You know what Water and I went through getting married, etc.”

  He cuts me off, “You don’t have a problem with anyone specific in the congregation?”

  Ok, I thought to myself, so the PO did send you. I see.

  I answered, “In particular? No. It’s just the general attitude of the basic person in the hall, the fact that we are all subject to the conscience of the strictest conscience in the hall.”

  “What do you mean?”

  “Well,” I said carefully, “say that sister tightwad doesn’t like Star Wars. Then, brother young guy likes it. If he says anything about it around her, it will offend her, and any person who offends another in the congregation should cease from what they are doing because they are stumbling the other person, right?”

  “Well…”

  “Right?”

  “I guess, but it’s not absolute.”

  “Ok. I like Stone Temple Pilots. So do you. What if Brother X didn’t like it, and counseled you against it……would you listen to him.”?

  “I would take his words into consideration.”

  “OK, ok, ok, that’s my point, the fact that people have ANY SAY OVER OUR PERSONAL LIVES AT ALL, is my argument for not going to the hall. Pretty soon they’re going to be banning peeing just because some old, respected sister has a bag on her hip.”

  “Comon, ashi…”

  “I know I’m exaggerating, but that’s what I’m talking about. Do you see what I’m getting at?”

  “I guess so. But don’t you know that the only place to receive spiritual refreshment is from the Kingdom Hall?”

  “No, I don’t think so.”

  Shocked silence.

  I continued, “What about the forest, the mountains, all of the physically beautiful things that God created for us, what do you think about those?”

  “They can’t give us direction where we may need it.”

  “Who needs direction when we have our own consciences to direct us, just like those people in the hall who MAKE all the rules do? I’m not going because here, in my heart, I feel God, and that’s something that no man can take from me.”

  “Ashi, let me read you something.”

  FBF started reading me scriptures about Noah.

  I stopped him and said, “Don’t you get it FBF, if I was unhappy, you’d say that it was because I wasn’t going to the hall. If I’m happy, I’m just like the people in Noah’s day. Don’t you get it? How can I trust people who have all the answers? Only salesmen have all of the answers, and it’s because they made up the formula in the first place………”

  He looked at me as if he was in physical pain. I thought he was going to start crying. We were silent and sipped beer for a few minutes, all the time I was giving him my whimsical, ashi-look.

  “Ok, ashi.”

  He put his bible away.

  I said, “I love you, FBF, but I’m not going to go back to the hall until I feel like it’s a place of love and reason again.”

  He shook his head, and didn’t say anything.

  He left about twenty minutes later. I remarked how we had to get together soon. I haven’t heard from him since.

  Eventually, Bro-In-Law went back home, my DA’d friend found some peace, and people left us alone for awhile.

  Until my sister announced her wedding plans.

  The next to last installment:

  Sister’s Wedding, The Molested friend, and Ashi’s Apostasy.
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  Dad & Pink Floyd

  by peaceloveharmony in

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  my dad is in his early fifties.

  he has always been a lover of music.

  last year he gave me his guitar, the one i remember him always playing when he was home, except of course during dinner hehe.

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  I could play Dark Side 100 times on the way to and from the beach in the summer...

  ashi
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  Post your poems, or others' poems

  by ashitaka in

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  this is my view of the witnesses, keeping to the jw theme here.

  i'll post a nice love poem too to make up for it.. comon people, show me your work, or stuff that you like!.

  ashi.

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  Grave, if you don't like it, then don't come here. Your Budweiser and pro-wrestling are waiting for you.

  Here's a poem that's just right for you.

  .............
  Blinded, blinded, sightless fly
  Into door, into the sink, into the eye of a candle
  Fly, fly, and be burned
  That’s what you’re born for
  ...............

  Ana, you already have this stuff....it's nothing new....sorry. I haven't been writing much lately, a lot of stuff at work going on.
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  Post your poems, or others' poems

  by ashitaka in

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  this is my view of the witnesses, keeping to the jw theme here.

  i'll post a nice love poem too to make up for it.. comon people, show me your work, or stuff that you like!.

  ashi.

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  Two Notes

  I am your spiritual sacrifice.
  I move within you like a Spirit,
  together we shout to the sun.