Posts by kelsey007

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Best wishes to all...

by kelsey007 in

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clearly there is a lot of hate still lingering among many exjw's.

my coming to these boards about a year ago was an intersting and a growing experience.

i have learned a lot and it has helped me to feel even better about my decision to leave the wt.

kelsey007

Dutchie- this is the last I will respond to these allegations. No. I do not know any elders or JW's at all in KY for that matter except for Mr Bowen.

Secondly- whether these allegations were in any way true or not the way this attack was orchastrated demonstrates something totally opposite from compassion and caring for those who have been abused by the WT. Mr Bowen demonstrated a total indiference to what I and my son were enduring at the time that he sought my support for silent lambs. Indeed, I felt at that point, as my son lay in the hospital, that Mr Bowen was accusing me of being full of crap in regards to my son. That to me is a shame- coming from a man who claims to have compassion for others. His agenda was so important to him that he felt that I should shrug off the trauma my family was enduring to support his cause. To hell with your son- to hell with your mom- Mr Bowens mission is more important. Sorry but I could not shrug off what my son was going through. Though my heart goes out to abuse victims of all sorts I must let my heart first go out to my own child- that dutchie is the issue. Throwing out numerous allegations in an effort ot take away from the negatives done by others is a political move as old as politics. They seek to cloud the issues facing them.

It has already been proven that the allegations from this party posting here- whom I do not know and have never conversed with- are false. When the allegation of me being a JW in good standing was proven to be a lie the allegations shifted to one of greater sensationalism. Did this party come back and apologize to me or to the board for posting false information? Not that I have seen. The response was to ignore the falseness of his report and start allegations anew. You be the judge of what you care to believe. I certainly have better things to do with my time than to sit here responding to such silliness when indeed the person is already proven to be a liar. You are free to review the thread for yourself and seen that the person stated that kelsey was a JW in good standing. You are free to see that this was a lie. I do not feel the need to defend myself against a proven liar.

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Best wishes to all...

by kelsey007 in

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clearly there is a lot of hate still lingering among many exjw's.

my coming to these boards about a year ago was an intersting and a growing experience.

i have learned a lot and it has helped me to feel even better about my decision to leave the wt.

kelsey007

Clearly there is a lot of hate still lingering among many exjw's. My coming to these boards about a year ago was an intersting and a growing experience. I have learned a lot and it has helped me to feel even better about my decision to leave the WT. I do remain baffled as to why some do indeed seem intent to destroy- the WT and others. I have stated that I support the aid of abuse victims and the criticisms I have given were in support of laws being changed and positive being done in this cause.

As I have stated in other posts- maybe I do see things different than many. My dad would say over and over "Two wrongs do not make a right". Is the WT wrong? In my opinion. I will not be going back. Are most religions wrong? Again, in my opinion. However, after all the anguish most endured in the WT I am not interested in following that program. It has never been my intent to deliver anguish to the WT or any others.

I am no longer a JW in great part due to my inability not to speak my mind against what I felt was wrong.

As for me I choose to move on beyond the WT experience. I do not want it to control my life or consume me any further. Many here still seem consumed by the WT. Child abuse is child abuse- whether in the WT or in the Catholic church. From what I have learned many churches have chosen different ways to cover up this sort of activity.

Due to the false allegations lodged against myself and a later admission by the party that lodged the allegations the fact has been stated that the falsehoods came from Mr Bowen.

As others have suggested here such conduct only strengthens what the WT promotes about ex jw's and apostates.

The allegations have gotton so rediculess that continually defending oneself against them only lowers oneself to standards and qualities that I stand against.

As another poster commented "truth will stand on it's on merits". One would hope that silent lambs will expend their energies going farward in accomplishing thier stated goals. The efforts of discrediting others again only takes away from thier credibility and hurts the victims cause. Posting negative comments about Ray Franz- who is well known- or against myself- who few know- only serves to reinforce what I already believed to be the true motivation of Mr Bowen. For the sake of the abuse victims that he claims to have compassion for I hope that such personal attacks stop. I personally have nothing to loose or gain in continuing to post here. The abuse victims have much at stake and will be affected by the conduct of silent lambs and silent lambs supporters.

For the record: I am not a JW- have not been to a KH meeting in over a decade.

My son suffered bacterial menegitis and both of his feet were amputated from the ankle down earlier this year at Baptist Hospital in Pensacola, FL. He is awaiting new feet as I type. He almost died and has endured many painful operations since.

For anyone, including Mr Bowen, to infer that such a thing is not traumatic or did not happen is an act of pure evil. When a parent stands in the face of seeing his child laying in a hospital bed near death with purple and black spots all over his body, a ventalator down his throat and a doctor telling you to make funeral arrangements- I cannot express the horror of this event. Though Jon has survived the loss of his feet has been equally horrifying. I have laid in my bed night after night imaganing my own feet being gone. I am proud of the way Jon has dealt with this and kept his positive outlook on life. I am baffled how anyone could belittle such an event- especially those that claim they care so much about others that they start organizations to help abuse victims and support such organizations.

Best wishes to all of you and I hope that your hate for the WT no longer consumes you at some point. Wind is right- why would I want to stay in such an arena where a personal trauma is dealt with as mine has here.

Shame on you Mr Bowen. Shame on you.

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Kenpodragon a question?!

by mindsweeper in

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could you answer me this one question?, (i trust you will see this message) ~ .

on beyondjehovahswitnesses.com, did you pose as "snoozy", write a few posts to which you signed her name and have to apologize to tim?.

i just wondered what sort of person you really are.. you may not choose to answer this question, (for obvious reasons).. by the way, you are not a bad writer, a tad "flowery" in my opinion and you're not exactly nietzshce, but it obviously keeps you busy.

kelsey007

Every thing I have expressed has been clarified with "my feelings"-"my assumption" "my gut feel" etc- the attacks brought to me have been bold face lies- stated as if true, known fact. Whatever else I have posted has been based on facts backed by others- AlanF did not say "I THINK kelsey is an active jw" AlanF posted that he knew for a fact that I was- which of course was a lie. His other comments, posted later hinted- and I clarified in my post that I assumed certain things and would beleive them until someone proved me to be wrong- his post hinted strongly toward certain info coming from one source- of course YOU could not know that unless you were in my shoes and had my expereince with this source. Then an strong suggestion was made that my son never was really ill- at least that is the way I took it as well as others....

If I am wrong in my "asumptions" I will do just as Mr Bowen has done- I will post an apology for any misunderstandings.

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Kenpodragon a question?!

by mindsweeper in

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could you answer me this one question?, (i trust you will see this message) ~ .

on beyondjehovahswitnesses.com, did you pose as "snoozy", write a few posts to which you signed her name and have to apologize to tim?.

i just wondered what sort of person you really are.. you may not choose to answer this question, (for obvious reasons).. by the way, you are not a bad writer, a tad "flowery" in my opinion and you're not exactly nietzshce, but it obviously keeps you busy.

kelsey007

I do not know this person and to my knowledge have never shared post with him. From the comments he made it seems evident to me where his source of info is coming from- At any rate I appreciate the comments from all and will move beyond this if allowed.

Free sharing of factual information and differing opinions is one thing- personal attacks based on ???? anything but fact is equal to slander. To say that one means no harm when they do not even know the person they are attacking is hard to understand. If AlanF does not like my posts or my opinions that should be the subject of his posts- not personal things that he can not know about personally. I have never shied away from stating my opinion based on what I have personally seen and know and have welcomed criticism of my viewpoint. But never have I attacked someone whom I do not know over something that I cannot prove.

Thanks again for your feedback.

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Kenpodragon a question?!

by mindsweeper in

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could you answer me this one question?, (i trust you will see this message) ~ .

on beyondjehovahswitnesses.com, did you pose as "snoozy", write a few posts to which you signed her name and have to apologize to tim?.

i just wondered what sort of person you really are.. you may not choose to answer this question, (for obvious reasons).. by the way, you are not a bad writer, a tad "flowery" in my opinion and you're not exactly nietzshce, but it obviously keeps you busy.

kelsey007

Dear wind- I am not made of better stuff- Though I may get a little loud in the heat of the moment (A LITTLE??LOL) I do keep in mind that this is the internet. There are very few that I know personally here. And there are those that are just plain mean- I know that I speak my mind very well and some are offended by things I say- I never intend to offend, only to make my point clear. AlanF is not the first that has doen such acts towards people on these boards- just first for me- and I am sure he will not be the last. I do get to the point where enough is enough. My point is made- thanks to such friends as yourself- and there is no more I can say. There are many, many people whom I enjoy here and I will not allow a few to spoil the many.

The good thing is - I can walk away from this at any time I please and not feel like I am leaving my life.

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question about free speech and ex-witnesses

by ballistic in

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a while ago, there was some yacking about free speech on this web site.... i was thinking how despite recent events, it's amazing that a group of people with such different reasons for leaving their past behind, now with differing religious views and feelings on life and the world, men and women, young and old, people from different nations having much more contact than they ever did in the org, can actually form such a close community.. some people say, their goal is not to bring the org down but to see molesters disfellowshipped and brought to justice.

can i then put it this way.... some people are hoping and praying (rightfully) that the org does to these sickos what was once done to many of us.

(note the strange irony of those wicked people un-challenged and those summarilly dismissed).. does that mean that on a free-speech web site, the perverts would then be allowed to join, post and air their views, if not take over the forum when numbers reach the proportion that could be expected?.

kelsey007

As one that enjoys a freeness of speech not enjoyed as a JW I see your point. The freeness of speech I think about is being able to enjoy a diferent viewpoint or way of seeing things and able to express it. Not name calling, perversion or personal insults- Greatfully Simon does his best to weed out such as I understand. That kind of thing is abusive speech not free speech.

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All is right in a NOBEL WORLD....

by breeze in

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the world could be righting itself in 2002..... the reason....a georgia boy, and a peanut farmer is awarded the nobel peace prize..... jimmy carter...a great human an passed president....!!.

breeze

kelsey007

This ex pres has shamed all ex presses to date- my hat is off to this man!

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My Dumb Ass JW Brother

by Reborn2002 in

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as some of you know from my sharing portions of my story on this board before, i disassociated myself from the jehovah's witnesses in 2001. my family, including my mother, sister, and brother, remain jehovah's witnesses.

i have an extremely limited relationship with my mother and sister.

i possess no relationship whatsoever with my brother, his wife, and their now 1 yr old son.

kelsey007

I will only reply to the selfrightious part- I did admit to being in a dif world and not understanding... that makes me selfrigtious? I hope not. I just see things in a deferent way. And I expressed why I was baffled at calling ones close to you "dumbass" in public- As I stated- its not my family- reborn stood his ground and expained his view to me- that is well and I appreciated his response. I also appreciate that we do not all share the same view of the world- is it not wonderful to be away from the WT and share in free speech? I think it is.

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My Dumb Ass JW Brother

by Reborn2002 in

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as some of you know from my sharing portions of my story on this board before, i disassociated myself from the jehovah's witnesses in 2001. my family, including my mother, sister, and brother, remain jehovah's witnesses.

i have an extremely limited relationship with my mother and sister.

i possess no relationship whatsoever with my brother, his wife, and their now 1 yr old son.

kelsey007

BTW reborn I am not saying that the things you state are not true and very upsetting to you. As to my own personal circumstances I have endured some of the same conduct by JW loved ones. Though I may find them to be "dumb or stupid" in behaviour I still would not share such stroong words in public. I hope that one day- by my conduct and expample even my 50 year old cousin- who sounds much like your brother- would come to his senses. I remember well those that tolerated my behaviour as a JW and how they exercised patience and it was thier unfaltering love for me that finally helped me see the light- God bless them for not giving up on me! And not condemning me in public-

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My Dumb Ass JW Brother

by Reborn2002 in

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as some of you know from my sharing portions of my story on this board before, i disassociated myself from the jehovah's witnesses in 2001. my family, including my mother, sister, and brother, remain jehovah's witnesses.

i have an extremely limited relationship with my mother and sister.

i possess no relationship whatsoever with my brother, his wife, and their now 1 yr old son.

kelsey007

Like I said reborn- maybe I live in a dif world than some here.... just my thoughts- it's your family and your situation. I personaly try to apporach my family situation in a way that might help them see things diferently- but to each his own...