Nathan- no argument on those subjects. I however know the law and how the courts function. The GB will never be held liable based on the credibility of the things you listed. The courts could not care less whether the WT joind the UN or not. These are serious criminal charges. If they are true let us go after them. If this is unprovable charges let us get on to something that can be validated. I was robbed once, I am sure that I know who took my sound system. But I cant prove it. And what "I" believe and "know" is basically worthless info. Because I cannot validate it. Let us please move on to something that can bite in a serious way. Hanging on to the things that we cant prove only makes the movement look weak. That is my point. If ya got something- bring it to the table and let us being them down!
kelsey007
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Cardinal B Law's Example For Gov Body's T Jarasz
by onthego incardinal bernard law resigned over having abetted child molestation so ted jarasz should do the same.
can you imagine if pedophile priests were sent door-to-door?
yet jarasz and his band do the same with peds among jws, and jarasz himself is accused by pat garza of molesting her when he was in los angeles.. where are the "good" elders pointing this out to the flock to keep it clean?
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Who is onthego?
by Jesus Christ inreading some of their posts sounds a lot like another person that got kicked off the board.. look at it, they've only been around since nov. 26. another person got kicked off a day or two before that.. look at their very first posts.
not exactly "hi, i'm new here and wondering about some stuff i've heard.".
anyone else notice that their last few posts have been the exact same thing?
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kelsey007
It seems to me that whomever onthego is and whatever other aliases they may or may not have used they are not balanced in thier thinking. From my perspective the allegations are serious enough to warrent q question or two in order to validate whether or not they are to be believed. I have had enough of buying into things just because a so called respected person says they are true- on what basis do you believe the allegations are true and will stand up to scrutiny? After all teh courts and the media will ask a lot of questions and the problem I have is that the media stayed far away from this particular allegation. Why?
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Cardinal B Law's Example For Gov Body's T Jarasz
by onthego incardinal bernard law resigned over having abetted child molestation so ted jarasz should do the same.
can you imagine if pedophile priests were sent door-to-door?
yet jarasz and his band do the same with peds among jws, and jarasz himself is accused by pat garza of molesting her when he was in los angeles.. where are the "good" elders pointing this out to the flock to keep it clean?
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kelsey007
If there is one thng that I have learned from the jw experience and enjoy about the freedoms I now have is that I do have the right to question and draw my own conclusions- just because a Bill Bowen says it it so has no greater impact on my beliefs than when the GB says it is so. I question and question and quesiton then in a very balanced way I draw my conclusions based upon the best factual basis possible- No I do not just bite the apple of Bill Bowen or a Pat Garza just because they say it is so- show me some facts- prove to me it is so- that is what the courts will want and that is what I want to see- If it is true let us go get them- but prove it to me before I just jump in and follow!
Am I wrong for asking these questions? No- Allegations were brought and I was asked to believe- all I am asking for is validation of the allegations- Give me something- Show me something- I need a lot more than Bill Bowen quotes on this thank you very much.....
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Cardinal B Law's Example For Gov Body's T Jarasz
by onthego incardinal bernard law resigned over having abetted child molestation so ted jarasz should do the same.
can you imagine if pedophile priests were sent door-to-door?
yet jarasz and his band do the same with peds among jws, and jarasz himself is accused by pat garza of molesting her when he was in los angeles.. where are the "good" elders pointing this out to the flock to keep it clean?
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kelsey007
Onthego though having not denied the charges has he admitted them or simply made no comment? Not trying to beat the subject- just trying to remian balanced- What a gross thing if the charges prove to be true. CLearly I know neither Jerasz or Garza. I am only trying to follow- or update myself as to the credibility of the charges before I jump on anyones bandwagon-
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Cardinal B Law's Example For Gov Body's T Jarasz
by onthego incardinal bernard law resigned over having abetted child molestation so ted jarasz should do the same.
can you imagine if pedophile priests were sent door-to-door?
yet jarasz and his band do the same with peds among jws, and jarasz himself is accused by pat garza of molesting her when he was in los angeles.. where are the "good" elders pointing this out to the flock to keep it clean?
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kelsey007
Thanks again Nathan. I will remember that in the future. And again thanks for providing me the link to your original post. This has been very helpful to me.
Any updates on these charges and what course they are taking if any?
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Cardinal B Law's Example For Gov Body's T Jarasz
by onthego incardinal bernard law resigned over having abetted child molestation so ted jarasz should do the same.
can you imagine if pedophile priests were sent door-to-door?
yet jarasz and his band do the same with peds among jws, and jarasz himself is accused by pat garza of molesting her when he was in los angeles.. where are the "good" elders pointing this out to the flock to keep it clean?
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kelsey007
THanks Nathan! I knew that this had been talked about a lot- I just never knew where to find where the charges had been made. I just did not see the statement in the transcripts and wondered where I missed them.
I come to this site in spurts. So clearly I miss a lost of post because I never go back to try and review all the older post.
Thanks again- you have helped me to settle my mind on this.
Kelsey
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What do you expect for the new year?
by JH inwhat are your projects, hopes and dreams for the new year?
do you expect next year to be better for you than this one?
do you expect your problems to go away just because your changing calender?edited by - jh on 14 december 2002 22:4:25.
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kelsey007
I expect, but hope not, that Bush will start his war. For me I will take another step closer to my retirement and enjoy each day as I try to enjoy this day regardless of the year....
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Cardinal B Law's Example For Gov Body's T Jarasz
by onthego incardinal bernard law resigned over having abetted child molestation so ted jarasz should do the same.
can you imagine if pedophile priests were sent door-to-door?
yet jarasz and his band do the same with peds among jws, and jarasz himself is accused by pat garza of molesting her when he was in los angeles.. where are the "good" elders pointing this out to the flock to keep it clean?
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kelsey007
"Jarasz himself is accused by Pat Garza of molesting her when he was in Los Angeles."
Right after the silent lambs march in NY someone posted a transcript of Pat Garza's statement.Though I have heard many times that Pat Garza accused Jarasz of molesting her I did not see those words in the transcript. Was the transcript edited to delete those allegations?
Another poster also wrote claiming to have personally known Pat Garza and charged that this person was mentally unstable- Does anyone know the validity of these statements? Did Pat Garza actually make this charge? At the time it was alledged that Pat Garza also accused the GB of molding JW children for sex slaves. Like I said, when the transcripts of the NY march speaches were posted I never saw those charges as I keep hearing here.
If the charges were made has anyone been able to substantuate them? Is there pending legal action- civil or criminal- against any of the GB in regards to any such charges?
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Can't get enough of Bush?
by kelsey007 inthen buy one of these--- http://www.cnn.com/2002/allpolitics/12/14/bush.doll.ap/index.html
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kelsey007
Well the man is damning- and he sure aint buiding bridges.
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Can't get enough of Bush?
by kelsey007 inthen buy one of these--- http://www.cnn.com/2002/allpolitics/12/14/bush.doll.ap/index.html
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kelsey007
Then buy one of these--- http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/14/bush.doll.ap/index.html