Posts by Abaddon

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Witnesses NEW attitude toward Marijuana!!!

by gumby in

most of us remember the society's viewpoint of using marijuana.

countless of articles condemed the drug saying it was mind altering and allowed a place for the demons.. articles were abundant concerning the greek word "pharmakia"..or druggery and included marijuana as being a part of that.

but alas!

Abaddon

I am currently exploring the medicinal use of marijuana on a preventative basis...

8-)-~

I am afraid the pressure all voices in my head give me will cause glaucoma and my eyes will pop...

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Dub dub dub, another one bites the dust.... Albert D Schroeder is dead

by Abaddon in

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albert d schroeder died yesterday (8th march) at 10.30 est.

he was 94.. no need to book a holiday this summer, barmeygeddon is just around the corner...

Abaddon

Albert D Schroeder died yesterday (8th March) at 10.30 EST. He was 94.

No need to book a holiday this summer, Barmeygeddon is just around the corner...

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Gay Marriage Cause No Real Defections In UCC Church

by Enigma One in

six months after becoming the largest christian denomination to endorse same-sex marriage, the united church of christ (ucc) reported that less than 1 percent of its churches have separated from the denomination.

the ucc report, issued thursday, noted that 49 churches -- out of 5,725 churches total -- have voted to disaffiliate, and nearly all of those cited disagreement with the ucc marriage equality resolution, adopted in early july.

"the number of departing churches is far fewer than some had earlier expected," said john h. thomas, president and general minister of the ucc.

Abaddon

rwagoner

I think you have the wrong idea how this works. It is a participation sport. It is not you tossing us comments and watching us.

To express opinions and then say you don't want your opinions challenged (with the implications that has) is you wanting your cake and to eat it.

Is it because you're still clinging to some idea that you shouldn't discuss contrary views with apostates?

I don't think you mean it to come across quite the way you do, so consider this smiley drenched etc. Running past a conversation and shouting something, then refusing to listen to the replies... it's just a bit silly, to be polite about it.

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Ever Hear of the Kolbrin Bible?

by skyman in

never heard of it until today.

this is very interesting in its pages to talks about the great flood in which many people survived.

also talks about how the great plagues of egypt were caused not by god but was caused by a comet or heavenly body called the destroyer that is seen from earth as a red heavenly body.

Abaddon

wombat

Very good point

I know, regretfully, that hooberus is as likely to say "Bugger me! Darwin was right all along" as he is to say "Hail Satan!". The fact he'd probably see them as the same is just funny... but I am sure my enthusiasm for evo-bio is more than matched by Leolaia's enthusiasm for textual research.

Just as I know people who don't neccesarily comment on a thread appreciate posts by SNG, tetra, Alan F, funky et. al. on evo-bio ('cause I've received comments to that end), so too I'm sure Leolaia's scholarship is appreciated by many who never comment on the threads.

skyman's neither here or there; hell, with a snide attitude like that it really doesn't make much difference whether he IS here or there...

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Moms' Genetics Might Help Produce Gay Sons

by truthseeker in

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i thought this article was very interesting and seems to indicate that homosexuality is something inherent.. i tend to agree with this, but also believe that people can be introduced to the lifestyle either through curiosity or environment.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060222/hl_hsn/momsgeneticsmighthelpproducegaysons.

moms' genetics might help produce gay sons.

by randy dotinga.

Abaddon

joel

I can only speak for men, but I think;

gay lifestyle means you dance well, dress fashionably, can cook and not kill your dinner guests know the names of at least five living authors, and have a nicely decorated home.

straight lifestyle means you can't dance, can't cook, can name the presenters of five sports programs, and have no taste in clothing or interior design.

I love stereotypes, they're crunchy...

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Holacaust Denier Gets 3 Years In Prison In Austria!

by minimus in

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can you believe that "historians" are trying to deny that such an event ever occured??

this guy was getting 300 letters a week because of his anti-jewish stand.

makes me sick!

Abaddon

Buster

I thought that thread had died, thanks for ytaking an interest...

- Seems like you made a leap to the conclusion that some peoples' freedoms are restricted. As a matter of fact, they have every right, and seemingly enough incentive, to speak up and refute this moron's beliefs.

No leaping. Check out the real ultra-right groups he's had connections with. This is fact.

Do you think the existenece of violent racist and anti-semetic gangs infringes the rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of the people those gangs attack?

This goes way beyond those attacked by Irving's speech defending themselves verbally; of course they have the right to do that - I never implied otherwise. I'm

This is about the infringement of their liberty by Irving's speech directly increasing the risk of attack by those groups who use scumbags like Irving for their justifications and propoganda.

- The test for 'restrictable speech' must be very strict. I don't think the speech in question has immediate dangerous affect on anyone.

The speech in question boils down to 'Jews had what they got coming to them as they were trying to take over the world and they are at it again'. This is essentially the message Irving and his ilk try to deliver. The Holocaust denial and Nazi apologisms are just part of the package he's trying to sell.

It is a call to arms, just as the pre-genocide propoganda in Rwanda was a call to arms to trigger genocide.

Are the dead at the end of a long deliberate campaign to dehumanise a group of people so that they can be turned against (such as happened in Nazi Germany, such as nazi-apologists engage in, such as the Hutu enaged in against the Tutsi) any less dead than those at the end of a pointed finger and a screamed command to open fire?

Irving doesn't give names and addresses of those to be attacked and other direct orders. Hitler never gassed a Jew, there's not one trace of a direct order... but his writings and speeches? Oh boy... I doubt if General Bizimungu ever machetted a Tutsi to death, but he helped make the policy. Just as with those two dogs abortions, with Irving - despite the 'distance' he ensures between him and the beating, the murder, and the petrol bomb - violence is still the logical end-result of what he says.

If someone deliberately incites violence but argues there was no immediate danger, is that's okay? Is that protected free speech?

- I think you would find that most free speech advocates decry the limits we are building in the U.S. as well. (Nice try at deflecting, though)

Given knee-jerk patriotism and an obsession with 'freedom' even when it costs others that some might have, I just wanted to avoid a dumb argument where someone would be supporting Guantanamo Bay AND arguing that Irving was hard done by. It seems to have worked.

Freedom of speech is not for nice, agreeable, pleasant, middle-of-the-road, non-controversial stuff. Freedom of Speech is to protect assertive, non-compliant, abrasive, and offensive speech.

With respect I have even given examples where this fact you state is bourne out. Freedom of speech is NOT to protect the deliberate incitement of racial hatred that has in the past and is now giving rise to inter-racial violence.

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Gay Marriage Cause No Real Defections In UCC Church

by Enigma One in

six months after becoming the largest christian denomination to endorse same-sex marriage, the united church of christ (ucc) reported that less than 1 percent of its churches have separated from the denomination.

the ucc report, issued thursday, noted that 49 churches -- out of 5,725 churches total -- have voted to disaffiliate, and nearly all of those cited disagreement with the ucc marriage equality resolution, adopted in early july.

"the number of departing churches is far fewer than some had earlier expected," said john h. thomas, president and general minister of the ucc.

Abaddon

rwagoner

No matter what one was discussing, one has a complete right to react to the quotation used by the person you're conversing with.

Quotes attributed to Newt G, Cicero M or Jesus C all have to bear the same standards of provability to be accepted as relaible representations of the mind of the person they're attributed to.

If you don't want to get into a discussion about Biblical accuracy, that's fine. I can understand not wanting to go there. You have a complete right not to respond in a meaningful fashion... but, this is a DISCUSION BOARD. You're free to air your opinions and not discuss them, but it rather defeats the purpose of a discussion board.

Never mind

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Gay Marriage Cause No Real Defections In UCC Church

by Enigma One in

six months after becoming the largest christian denomination to endorse same-sex marriage, the united church of christ (ucc) reported that less than 1 percent of its churches have separated from the denomination.

the ucc report, issued thursday, noted that 49 churches -- out of 5,725 churches total -- have voted to disaffiliate, and nearly all of those cited disagreement with the ucc marriage equality resolution, adopted in early july.

"the number of departing churches is far fewer than some had earlier expected," said john h. thomas, president and general minister of the ucc.

Abaddon

rwa goner

No offence, but here's a few observations comin' back at ya.

You quote scripture to prove a point. What certainty do you have that any particular passage is an inspired thought from god?

Believing in Jesus, God, the Christian message, and trying to share those beliefs with other is a SEPERATE activity from beliving the Bible is a book that is the literal, accurate and inspired word of god.

There's a lot of evidence that the Bible is not accurate, and that it wasn't even written by those that are traditonally claimed to be the authors - let alone inspired of god.

It would seem that one can have certainty of a relationship with God and Jesus, and a belief in the overwhelming importance of the Christian message BUT NOT TAKE THE BIBLE UNQUESTIONINGLY AS THE FINAL SAY IN WHETHER SOMETHING IS CHRISTIAN OR NOT.

If we KNOW the Bible is inaccurate in places, how can we insist that a bit (that tickles our ears) is accurate?

How can we be certain that we are not reflecting the human and flawed nature of those that wrote it? Did God really order wholesale slaughter of entire towns in the Promised Land, with the exception of virgin girls who would become sexual chattel? That's what the Bible SAYS happened. Doesn't mean it is true, or that (if the event occured) it was God's will.

Are the 'Orthodox' teachings just a traditional set of beliefs that were unquestioningly accepted as being inspired and without fault? Are 'liberal' teachings those that try to express the SPIRIT of the Christian message, the over-abiding importance of love between each other, actually more likely to be 'what Jesus would do' if he were here now as a man of the 21st Century?

Would Jesus argue he didn't care what the argument over DNA was, that homosexuals were bad and evil, even if they were largely genetically predetermined to be that way? Or would a modern Jesus ridicule those opposed to homosexuals in the Christian Congregation as being removed from the spirit of the Christian message in their ritualistic adherence to man-made teaching, just as he ridiculed the Pharasees of his day?

No offence, just observations...

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TV series&movies-CURSING!!!

by BlessedStar in

how do you feel about tv shows & movies at present?.

do you think it is appropriate for children to be viewing comedies with cursing and sexual encounters?.

don't you think movies have more cursing even though they are rated "g"?.

Abaddon

More censorial "I know better than you" nonsence from the neo-Puritan unintelligencia...

Anyone who lies about Tom and Jerry whilst complaining about swearing on television has an irredeemably screwed up moral compass...

Here in Holland we have soft-porn on some of the normal TV channels late at night, and (believe it or not) you might even see a nipple in a commercial for shampoo.

Somehow society has survived...

Of course, if we returned to the MYTHICAL traditional values of the fifties we would also welcome back;

racism
misogyny
lack of reasonable self-determination for adolescents
homophobia
communist witch hunts
a carte blanche for wife beaters
no real chace of familial/parochial/insititutional sexual abuse ever being uncovered
if a girl did get pregnant, she was 'ruined', sent away to have it in secret and then be forced to give it up, or engage in a decades long charade pretending her mother was her daughters mother, or be totally disinherited and cast out'
compulsory millitary service
wide-ranging police corruption
massive death rates from diseases that are easily preventable or at least combatable nowadays

I think a few nipples on TV and some swear words are a small price to pay to get rid of the nastiness and bigotry our politer, more bigotted grand-parents had to endure in their nipple and cuss-free lives... some people really need to get some fucking perspective... ooo, I said a bad word...

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Ever Hear of the Kolbrin Bible?

by skyman in

never heard of it until today.

this is very interesting in its pages to talks about the great flood in which many people survived.

also talks about how the great plagues of egypt were caused not by god but was caused by a comet or heavenly body called the destroyer that is seen from earth as a red heavenly body.

Abaddon

What gets me is skyman just doesnt get it.

I do not claim anything.

No? But you IMPLY lots, and then one someone points out the material you are drawing those implications from is fake, you get defensive. If you want people to go "Oooo skyman, what a wonderful point'', then try using decent reliable material. You also totally fail to see the point. Unless you know the book is genuine, you may as well read the Hobbit and post what you have found and think.

I could do the same as you and put all sorts of quotes down then comment on the quotes, making myself look like an expert on the subject like you do, on so many threads here on JWD. I am sure the 15 minutes of research you did using Google makes you an expert with all your wisdom. How could I think other wise? Anyone that says anything different has to be a fool because you so are so knowledgeable on everything. I am just a mere human in your shadow.

This turns you from a seemingly gullible person into an apparently unpleasent, envious person. There's not one word out of place in what she wrote. I know I can be blunt and abrasive and accept responses in the same spirit as being fair. But the hate you express in a few lines to someone who pleasently and knowledgably showed this fetid little scrap you're currently obsessing over is a fake shows you basically will turn on anyone who disagrees with you, no matter how they do it. Pat yourself on the back skyman, you did that all by yourself, well done.