Posts by Abaddon

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Mr. Flipper's Son Hears and Sees Bigfoot- I'm Serious, Not Joking

by flipper in

jw
friends

i know i'm setting myself up here, but here it goes.

first of all if you want to crack funnies about this or jokes, that's perfectly cool, it's alright, i don't mind.

however this is a true story from what happened in may and my motive for writing about this is not just humor, but i want to see if anybody else has experienced what my son went through while being in the mountains or anywhere.

Abaddon

Flipper

Don't get your flukes in a twist.

You can debate with people all day long, and to me it's a waste of time.

What, you mean they don't agree with you? Yup, clearly a waste of time.

Why do you have to have me believe you to not think a debate is a waste of time?

I don't care if you don't agree with me but don't see debate as a waste of time if you carry on believing stuff that doesn't have one shred of poof.

I'd say debating something with someone who makes wild claims like "Bigfoot sightings have been substantiated by many researchers and scientists" (this is simply not true - there is no hard evidence of Bigfoot's existence) and doesn't bother to back up their statements with any references or evidence is a little dull, but I live in hope. I try not to assume the next thread where people make wild claims will not be full of people behaving like people normally behave when they make wild claims, and that instead of indignation and evasion I get considered and convincing responses, even if I still disagreed with them.

FreedomFrog

I find this interesting because this also goes the other way too. I asked my ex one time that if he experienced a supernatural experience would he then believe? He said no because he'd feel he was going "crazy" and he'd run off to a shrink and get his head examined. So really, people who don't believe, showing proof wouldn't really matter no matter how much evidence could be shown...there will always be a reason why it couldn't and wouldn't have happened even to the point of making the person out to be "crazy".

I disagree, but need to clarify why.

If I saw a ghost but was unable to prove it I would assume that as I know humans are poor observers and eye witnesses, I must be mistaken or mad.

On the other hand if I had hard evidence ghosts or Bigfoot or Nessie or the Tooth-fairy existed I would be mad for NOT believing in them.

It is proven humans are poor observers and eyewitnesses and can unconsciously synthesize experiences and memories. It is not proven that any sighting of a ghost was of anything other than a figment of the imagination.

I think assuming a subjective experience overrules the above objective facts is unfounded, unwise and possibly even arrogant.

To me it seems more likely that I am mad or mistaken than that a form of entity that people have made claims about for Milena and never proved suddenly becomes real because of my subjective experience.

I haven't had any experiences with Bigfoot but I have with supernatural which I will not go into because of too many critics.

*sigh* Because you don't feel comfortable doing something unless you have 100% agreement and validation? That's sad. I can have a discussion about evolution with naysayers and critics hanging off the rafters - their disbelief doesn't bother me because I have sound scientific arguments and reams of evidence supporting what I think happened.

Maybe that - sound scientific arguments and reams of evidence - is why I feel secure discussing a subject and is why you don't? As I've said above, 'believers' blaming the skeptics for not believing is a traditional part of these discussions, as this thread proves again. Us skeptics are so bad and nasty the ghost-whisperers can't bear to even talk to us. Fortunately there are plenty of bulletin boards where such discussions would be accepted uncritically.

I just think it's interesting that even if a non-believer actually experienced stuff like this, they still wouldn't believe.

I think if you actually discuss this further with your partner you will find he would believe in ghosts if someone proved they existed. You'd also find until then he will not believe in them even if he has a 'ghost' experience, as he will not think his subjective and perhaps wholly internal experience defines external objective reality for exactly the same reason he believes others subjective possibly wholly internal experiences define subjective external reality.

But you seem to take comfort in a false characterisation of a skeptical viewpoint.

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Mr. Flipper's Son Hears and Sees Bigfoot- I'm Serious, Not Joking

by flipper in

jw
friends

i know i'm setting myself up here, but here it goes.

first of all if you want to crack funnies about this or jokes, that's perfectly cool, it's alright, i don't mind.

however this is a true story from what happened in may and my motive for writing about this is not just humor, but i want to see if anybody else has experienced what my son went through while being in the mountains or anywhere.

Abaddon

Flipper

ABADDON- In all due respect, I agree with you on the fact that there have been some people, maybe more than a few who have pulled hoaxes and put on fake monkey suits. That's common knowledge. You aren't telling me something I don't know. That being said, there are thousands of substantiated reports

Define substanciated; I think you mean, you can ring 'em up and they'll say "yup, that's right, I saw him". That means nothing. I could claim that of people who saw angels; that their claims were substanciated as I'd be able to produce someone who had ade the claim.

But, unless there is hard evidence, even if I have the person who saw 'it' telling me so in all sincerity, if they are claiming something extraordinary (seeing Jesus, angels, spooks, aliens, bigfoot etc.), it is more likely that they are mad, malevolent or mistaken than they saw what they thought they saw.

And yes there were some large bones found on an island near the great lakes in the last few years, and they were researching them to see what they might be.

Sorry Flip, this is just another vauge unsubstanciated claim. If you really want to have such claims taken seriously then the least you coud do is go to the trouble of supporting your own argument; these bones; where, who, when? Why shoud I go to the effort of researching your vauge claims if you can;t be bothered yourself? ARe ybou going to make it my fault you can;t back up your claims? That is (traditionally) the next stage in this sort of discussion.

And as you say people have seen spirits, ghosts, aliens, ufo's, and how do we know for sure people have not seen some of these things? We don't.

And your default setting for extraordinary claims is 'believe', and mine is 'disbelieve'. And I think given your life experienece you being so damn trusting is remarkable and naieve, massively so.

You know people can believe stuff to the point they experience things that are not there, or claim as such. Yet you show no sign of using this knoiwledge in your everyday life.

Are you really so insecure Abaddon, that it rocks your world so much, and disturbs your inner peace so much that you have to lash out verbally in a aggressive way towards people who have experienced something you never have ?

Ah, I knew it would be my fault. LOL. You make an extraordinary claim and provide no hard evidenece. Despite the absence of evidence being your (or your son's) 'fault', you blame me for lack of effort/luck in proving what you so obviously desperately me want to accept with admiring cries and open-mouthed credulity.

Sorry, no chance. If you can't prove something you believe to a reasonable level of certainty in it is your responsibility if people point this out and doubt you. It's about time you realise that.

Don't blame me for your poor standards of evidence.

There are people who swear up and down that only one person killed president Kennedy. There are others who think differently outside the box, that 2 or 3 others were in on it too.

See my last new topic about how and why people go on believing myths. The latest ballistical analyses put together from 3D models of the Plaza confirm there was only one gunman and explain what previous erroneous analysis claimed was a bullet that turned a corner (and ths spawned the two gunman theories). When there is clear unambiguous evidence supporting an official version of an event it is not closed minded to aeccept the official version. It is closed minded to carry on believing discredited theories. Thinking differently in the JFK case is nowadays a case of thinking poorly and accepting rubbish discredited years ago. Big it up as 'thinking out the boxt; lack of vidence an poor science is only lack of evidence and poor sceince, not thinking out the box.

At this point, 40 something years removed from it, who cares ?

I care about whether something happened or noth quite a lot.

It won't bring him back. Hey, I'm saying let people have their theories , it might be proven true with hard evidence , maybe sooner than later. May I ask how that affects the serenity of your own life Abaddon. I don't think it does.

They can have their theories; theories have some form of evdenmce and credibility. But treating conspiracy hypothesis, urban myths and supersticion with respect is something I could never do and I am amazed you'd even ask. We all come from an environment where we all failed in exercising critical thinking. If someone wants to exercise their freedom continuing to do so they can, but I will exercise my freedom in pointing this out.

I'm quite happy for people to peddle nonsense, but I don't know why they object to having their claims labelled as such or why they blame other people when they are not able to make their claims believable (apart from to other believers who als o have no evidence).

One of the posters who saw this animal private mailed me and said, " I wish some of the people who are doubting this is real would have been with me when I saw this animal. They would have $hit their pants. " So, would you like to take a trip with the person and see it soon? Hey, it was his words, not mine. So, you have your take and you are certainly welcome to that, but let others have their takes too. Peace to you, Mr. Flipper

LOL. Funny, if it were so easy to prove Bigfoot it would have been proved. The idea someone could prove Bigfoot by taking me on a walk in the woods is just so absurd and you suggesting it shows how poorly you analyse the reality of such claims.

Yup, obviously those dumb scientists just need to go for a walk in the woods...

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Mr. Flipper's Son Hears and Sees Bigfoot- I'm Serious, Not Joking

by flipper in

jw
friends

i know i'm setting myself up here, but here it goes.

first of all if you want to crack funnies about this or jokes, that's perfectly cool, it's alright, i don't mind.

however this is a true story from what happened in may and my motive for writing about this is not just humor, but i want to see if anybody else has experienced what my son went through while being in the mountains or anywhere.

Abaddon

I stand corrected!

Clear unequivocal evidence.

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What exactly was the point on animal sacrifices

by jwfacts in

the jews were required to sacrifice and report to the high priest for forgiveness of sins.

but what was the benefit?

the jews get the same ressurection as everyone else.

Abaddon

They meant that the Priests were kept in food in return for their "services".

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Mr. Flipper's Son Hears and Sees Bigfoot- I'm Serious, Not Joking

by flipper in

jw
friends

i know i'm setting myself up here, but here it goes.

first of all if you want to crack funnies about this or jokes, that's perfectly cool, it's alright, i don't mind.

however this is a true story from what happened in may and my motive for writing about this is not just humor, but i want to see if anybody else has experienced what my son went through while being in the mountains or anywhere.

Abaddon

Mr. Flipper

before you start disrespecting me or my son by saying my son would be dishonest

Why the hell are you being so simplistic? So, there are only two possibilities, lying or telling the truth? Nice you know that your son is a 'perfect eye-witness' and can never be wrong or mistaken about anything he sees or hears. That seems really unreasonable of you.

I have had since starting this post at least 6 or 7 if you read all the posts , of people claiming to have seen or heard of reports of seeing these creatures in Canada, United States, all across North America.

I could supply you with thousands of eye-witness accounts of UFO's, demons, miracles, etc.. Doesn't mean they are true and ignoring the simple fact you are exercising a double standard (discounting other accounts of divine, diabolic or alien visitation due to lack of hard evidence whilst accepeting a story only distinguished from the rest in that it comes from someone you know) gets you nowhere.

Would you believe your son if he saw aliens, or Satan, or Jesus? Just because Bigfoot doesn't streach your personal incredulity doesn't change the fact there is no evidence of what happened, just like every other time someone makes this sort of claim.

I have had 2 posters private mail their experiences and if you read them you would know they are telling the truth , they saw something legitimate, it could not have been made up by seeing the fear in their descriptions.

Yup, I knew whenm I read Harry Potter that it must all be true 'cause Voldemort was so scarey.

But you know the reason these people want to remain anonymous ? It's because of people like yourself who refuse to admit that anything exists outside of " your " world !

Yes, I see, not beliving in an extrordinary claim that has absolutely no hard evidence is so unreasoinable. I take it to avoid conforming to this description yourself you believe in all wild claims made by people? Send me $25 dollars for lucky used condoms or you are being closed minded!! LOL.

So, yes, you are welcome to your opinion, that's fine, but people are not crazy who have experienced these things !

You don't have to be crazy to be mistaken.

Also, yes there has been documented film footage of this creature on documentaries on the learning channel and other educational shows.

Which part of 'hard evidence' is so difficult to undeerstand? There are experts who say it is real and experts who say it is not real. There's people who claim they were in the suit. I think you are the closed minded one to have excluded it being a hoax without any evidence to support your assumption.

Not that it's in North America but would the Saola count? It's species wasn't known until 1992.

No, it wouldnd';t, unless you are comparing populatin density of whereBigfoot is found to the Cambodean/Laos boarder.

Bigfoot allegedly lives in areas with enough human population to ensure sightings. It streaches credulity (well, mine at least) that not one of the people who have seen it had a rifle or the that they all didn't think to use it. Human hunters have no difficulty tracking and killing the other primate species, or bear species for that matter.

Yet people want to believe in a magical creature that evades detection and somehow is the only mammal species in North America to not have been shot at and killed by hunters. Think about it for god's sake, you'all got out of a cult, why stop using critical thinking NOW?

I have some lucky playing cards I could sell you for $500 if you like...

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Mr. Flipper's Son Hears and Sees Bigfoot- I'm Serious, Not Joking

by flipper in

jw
friends

i know i'm setting myself up here, but here it goes.

first of all if you want to crack funnies about this or jokes, that's perfectly cool, it's alright, i don't mind.

however this is a true story from what happened in may and my motive for writing about this is not just humor, but i want to see if anybody else has experienced what my son went through while being in the mountains or anywhere.

Abaddon

LearningToFly

How the hell do you get the bear to raise it's arm so you can use the spray?

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Mr. Flipper's Son Hears and Sees Bigfoot- I'm Serious, Not Joking

by flipper in

jw
friends

i know i'm setting myself up here, but here it goes.

first of all if you want to crack funnies about this or jokes, that's perfectly cool, it's alright, i don't mind.

however this is a true story from what happened in may and my motive for writing about this is not just humor, but i want to see if anybody else has experienced what my son went through while being in the mountains or anywhere.

Abaddon

People have known of the Giant and eollasal Squids for ages; they recovver bits of them in Sperm Whale stomachs. A complete specimen is something different and very rare, but they live in (to humans) inhospitable extremes so encounters are very unlikely.

Thus there is no comparison between Bigfoot (lives in an area that should allow enough encounters to give hard physical evidenc but doesn't) and the deep-sea squids (despite the fact they li've in a place no encouners would take place with humans hard physcial evidence exists).

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Mr. Flipper's Son Hears and Sees Bigfoot- I'm Serious, Not Joking

by flipper in

jw
friends

i know i'm setting myself up here, but here it goes.

first of all if you want to crack funnies about this or jokes, that's perfectly cool, it's alright, i don't mind.

however this is a true story from what happened in may and my motive for writing about this is not just humor, but i want to see if anybody else has experienced what my son went through while being in the mountains or anywhere.

Abaddon

Nathan, if you put a fairy in a bottle it will disappear when the sun rises. Everyone knows that.

;-)

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Mr. Flipper's Son Hears and Sees Bigfoot- I'm Serious, Not Joking

by flipper in

jw
friends

i know i'm setting myself up here, but here it goes.

first of all if you want to crack funnies about this or jokes, that's perfectly cool, it's alright, i don't mind.

however this is a true story from what happened in may and my motive for writing about this is not just humor, but i want to see if anybody else has experienced what my son went through while being in the mountains or anywhere.

Abaddon

Well, up to now the lack of incontravertible hard evidence of any unknown species like Bigfoot combined with the high potential number of encounters has lead me to be a little skeptical.

And nothing has changed. Even if I knew someone personally and they told me monkeys flew out of their butt, I would want evidence before I believed it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

It's amazing the perliferation of digicams, DV cams, phone cams etc. in the past ten years or so hasn't lead to any more evidence, and aside getting a shit sample that proved his sighting wasn't a well intentioned error (humans can convince themselves they see anything, it's not something to take personally), I can;t see my opinion changing.

I'd love it to be true; H. florensis, Big foot, Nessie; hell it would be amazingly interesting.

But my standards of evidence don't change because I think it is a cool idea.

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WT monitoring JWD? Absolutely!

by fedorE in

jw
friends

from channel c (today).

you may have read something similar to this before but the specific details are interesting.. this was put on a uk forum by an xjw called gordon...he gave me permission to use his post.. .

quote:.

Abaddon

They monitor here.

Black-hat exploits aside, the most obvious way this could lead to reprucussions for individuals is just by having people read the board and note any identifying characteristics posters reveal. You could store the data in Excel or Access and build profiles. Your identity could be identified with a reasonable amount of effort if you give away too much.

I don't think any process they use is complete or thorough thought, but I wouldn't rule out lack of action indicating lack of surveilance.