Posts by Abaddon

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

<<you certainly are touching on areas of discussion that were covered in past threads: white men WERE exploiting girls more frequently. Yet it also was true that the culturally more misogynistic Pakistani men were the perpetrators of the crimes against white and also Hindu girls in the northern city rape gangs.>>

No disagreement with that as it's a matter of record in both cases.

<<I believe Tommy should step aside and others with as much conviction and better tactics should do the work. ( and there are people who are trying,)

No, his goal is xenophobic. Those are his convictions. Other than his criminal record that is... LOL

And he's not going to step aside. He's a monomaniac. It's his 'job'. I know you didn't title those videos, it was not my point, my point was what I said it was. Misattribution and misrepresentation. Are those videos monetised I wonder?

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

Morpheus

This is kinda my point about a film with magic in it. People are a/ wailing they are ding the magic wrong, and b/ only complaining about them doing the magic wrong if the magic user has boobs.

Films with magic require disbelief. Choosing to make a fuss about this who you have to suspend disbelief about a female character when no one did this when TPM came out is indicative of issues the complainer has with gender rather than an issue they have with magic.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

LoveUniHateExams

<<no, we see Rey scavenging parts of wrecked ships, cleaning them up and selling them to Unkar Plutt. What we don't see is Rey as a scavenger getting ships working again>>

We see her fixing starship parts. Starships are made of starship parts. And she has. knowledge of the 'Falcon's maintenance history.

<<but Luke didn't understand R2 right away. 3PO was there at the beginning to translate. Later, in Luke's X-wing, R2's bleeps were translated for Luke on a monitor. Then after that, Luke picks up what R2's saying. Rey understands BB-8 from the get-go. It's ridiculous.>>

Maybe she's worked with BB series droids or other astromech droids? Unlike Anakin, who seemingly only knows standard, Rey might have a talent for languages having been exposed to more in the obviously more comopolitan environment she was in than a farm on Tatooine. Note, rather than saying 'I can talk to my phone and my phone can talk back, why on any given planet can't astromech droids talk standard', you go "ARGH! A girl is talking to a robot". :-D

Your lack of suspension of belief seems a tad gendered.

<<We don’t know her real backstory - admit it, Rey shouldn't be able to understand Chewie. Rey's never been to Kashyyk, and there are no Wookiees on Jakku>>

You know this how, having admitted we don't know her backstory.

<<this is true but throughout the OT Luke learns, makes mistakes, learns from his mistakes and becomes more powerful. The Luke in ANH and the one in RotJ are in two very different places>>

We certainly see Rey gain power as she realises her latent Force powers. By the time she does the rock lifting she has arguably had more training than Luke had when he destroyed the Death Star with an impossible shot.

<<these are some good points, and I wish the new trilogy explored Rey's character and background a bit more. But with Luke the risk-averse background contrasts well with his yearning for adventure. He has 'too much of his father in him.'>>

Well, maybe in a non-creepy way Rey has some of her father in her? Lack of backstory.

<<Being a good shot as a pilot is part of Luke's skillset. He 'used to bullseye wamp rats in [his] T-16 back home, and they're not much bigger than 2 metres.'>>

Yes, an unmounted rifle in a T-16 is EXACTLY like the quad cannon on a X-Wing, Oh, except they are not. Likewise, a torpedo targeting system is utterly unlike a slug-throwing rifle you hold to your shoulder and sight using your eyes.

<<With the Death Star shot, perhaps he got lucky. Or, seeing as Luke had already been introduced to the Force, perhaps he used the Force.>>

It was the Force. There is no suggestion it was luck anywhere in the canon. But good to know that boys can get lucky...

<<It's interesting you said this comment in reply to my point about Rey pulling off a Jedi mind trick just like that, with no training. You have no answer to that>>

Yeah, I missed that. Never seen people dancing and exchanging moves? Naturally skilled dancers can watch someone do something and duplicate it. Hell, Mozart at age 14 heard 'Miserere' a 14 minute long complex choral piece performed in the Sistine Chapel, went home, and wrote it down from memory (thus committing one of the first recorded acts of music piracy as the score was not freely available then). Rey simply reverses the trick that Kylp tried on her. Nothing someone who is not naturally talented could not do in the real world with something they were talented.

<<no, I didn't miss it - that's the whole issue. Rey is very powerful and does amazing shit with no training needed. It's ridiculous. Imagine if Luke had done better Jedi stunts than Yoda that first time on Dagobah, or if Luke had somehow bested Vader on Bespin. That's the level of Mary Sue/Gary Stu and dumbf**kery we're talking about here>>

<<Yeah, Luke had shut himself off from the Force, you are comparing apples to oranges.>>

<<no, I'm complaining that Rey is brilliant at everything, first time ... that there's little opportunity for her to overcome adversity (she just needs to turn up because she always wins), that there's no opportunity whatsoever for her to learn from her mistakes (she doesn't make any), that as a consequence of all this, there's little opportunity for her to grow as a character.>>

In general the pacing of the movies is shit, for all I enjoy them vastly. ANH and TLJ are meant chronologically to be immediately one after the other. They've removed the travel takes time concept, by and large, although bring it back in when convenient, thus destroying a vital narrative conceit; the cavalry is literally always over the next hill now. It is this which leads to the frenetic pace and the lack of story arc. No SJW agenda, just unnecessary story-telling choices. But I bet you've not complained about the lack of scenes of Legolas collecting arrows...

<<Rey is a Mary Sue>>

No Rey reveals the ultimate issue when you have a 'magic' system, by whatever name you call it, that is essentially made up as it goes along. There's old non-canon (now) novels where Luke pulls Star Destroyers out of orbit using the Force. It's the same narrative path in Dune with Paul as the Kwisatz Haderach, the same issue with Hermione Granger and time-turners. You are criticising faults that a premise and poor story development inevitably lead to, regardless of gender, but are getting a tad hysterical about it because it is a girl. Star Wars has shit internal logic, as does Harry Potter. Plot Holes the size of stars. But you're only excited about this one because it is about a girl.

<<In the one moment in TLJ where another character out-Mary Sues Rey, we see Leia fly through space - what in the everlasting f**k?!

Total bullshit>>

Nope, you being too invested in your precious head-canon to accept the twin of the powerful Jedi might have in extremis unexpected abilities. You miss out on the emotion of the scene you're so busy looking for testicles or the logical development of an illogical inconsistent magic power that never has a logical development.

<<As for explaining the SJW propaganda>>

Yup, there we go again. Loaded language. I warned you. And you should know better. Likewise, using ad hominem to attack someone on account of their weight! Really not doing yourself any favours and highlighting that the issue here is not anything to do with Star Wars but everything to do with your attitude towards gender and a shitty attitude towards other people from the safety of a keyboard.

SJW do not exist except as a pejorative term used by those who are unable to come up with a concise description of the behaviour they are criticising or the identity of groups that exclusively engage in those behaviours, or even the listing of a local SJW group.

You can find a local feminist group. But you won't be able to find a local SJW group. You're using loaded language. And anyway, wanting social, racial and sexual equality is not a bad thing. That's what social justice is. You fighting against that?

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

Abaddon

resolute Bandicoot

I’m not bewildered, far from it. I deprogrammed and left the Borg almost 25 years ago, before the Internet greatly facilitated discovery of the truth about the ‘Truth’, and have studied comparative religion as well as living, working and studying with Muslims my entire life. Don’t assume I don’t know what I am talking about, it won’t go well for you.

EDL grew from the ashes of the BNP as that grew from the ashes of the NF. With each rebirth the shit-phoenix of xenophobia rubs off the rough edges and refines its message. As the out-and-out racism of the NF became socially unacceptable, it effectively rebranded as the BNP, but large numbers of supporters simply shifted allegiance to the new party without undergoing a Damascene moment regarding racial equality or multiculturalism. However, the remarketing led to capturing those dissatisfied with Conservative Party policies who would never have joined the NF. Likewise, the EDL performed the same trick. Slightly more refined xenophobia, same transfer of supporters from an older incarnation, same capture of those dissatisfied with Conservative Party policies who would never have joined the BNP. And after leaving the EDL, what does Tommy do? Get involved with Pegida, another xenophobia organisation. LOL.

You might be fooled by a xenophobe changing his affiliations but I am not.

I now have to quote what you say before each response to illustrate that when I describe you as a hysterical, hyperbolic xenophobe I am using descriptive languge not insults:

<<In addition, if advanced Western society is to survive, prosper, and not be plummeted deep back into the dark ages, it will be because of people like Tommy who have the intestinal fortitude to stand up and call it out as it is, irrespective of the personal cost. If we should survive, there will be a statue of him some day, alongside Charles Martel.>>

OK, let’s break this down; ‘advanced Western society’. This ignores the battles for racial and sexual equality that are still to be won de facto even if in many places the battle has been won de jure (although this is at risk in some places). Doesn’t sound too advanced. This same ‘advanced Western society’ has had two world wars in the past hundred years, and has invaded and destabilised countries for resources and strategic advantage in living memory. Doesn’t sound too advanced either. Te reason that woman and POC have the same rights in ‘advanced Western society’ is not because white men gave the those rights, but because women and POC fought for those rights. Doesn’t sound too advanced. Half of all women murdered in the UK are murdered by current or former male sexual partners (compared to a fraction of that for the reverse). Doesn’t sound too advanced. Women are blamed for men raping them. Doesn’t sound too advanced. Oooo, do you mean mobile phones and TVs? LOL. Our culture advancement has more to do with the Industrial Revolution necessitating the education of women to work, women becoming more economically active, and two hundred years of secularism ameliorating the ignorance of out cultural religion. Most Muslim cultures have not had that so are obviously not as advanced yet. It's only time, not intrinsic values.

And ‘to survive, prosper, and not be plummeted deep back into the dark ages’. Really? In the EU the percentage of Muslims based on current birth rates, total intergenerational religious fidelity, and high migration it is calculated the Muslim population would be about 18% in some countries, lower in most.

Of course, the fact is despite what some people will try to say, Muslims are just like us. Other immigrant populations have had their birth rates drop as in Europe it’s no longer necessary to have lots of children and nicer to have fewer children and more comfortable lives; Muslims will be no different. The EU has in the space of a few generations become dramatically secularised with most people only having nominal religious adherence; Muslims will be no different.

If you look at likely rates of birth rate fall alone, and still assume total intergenerational religious fidelity, it is hard to come up with a population simulation where the Muslim population in the EU goes above a third or so. But as there will not be total intergenerational religious fidelity, it will be less than that.

The rest of your comment is pseudo-Christian European nationalism. I mean, “intestinal fortitude”, “there will be a statue of him some day, alongside Charles Martel”, get a grip. You are scared of people from other cultures. I understand that. It’s kind of pathetic. But your claims are unfounded.

<<You have not heard half of what he has had to endure, I recommend you read his book>>

I don’t need to read that or Mein Kampf either, thank you. Self-aggrandization by narcissistic xenophobes cynically exploiting the fear of those scared of change who want to have someone to blame for the problems in their life does nothing for me. Why do you find such rubbish worthy of attention?

<<How did we come to know about this scandal, the rapes and terrible exploitation of thousands of young girls and the multi agency multi decade cover up??

We know about this now because Tommy and a few others put it all on the line and spoke up, he spoke up for his children and ours and for this, he is a political prisoner.>>

Tommy had NOTHING to do with the investigation. Nothing. Please don’t lie. He didn't put anything on the line. He's a convicted fraudster and football hooligan. This xenophobia IS his line.

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

Abaddon

humbled:

I remember having discussions here with Holocaust deniers, 'Truthers', AGW deniers, Creationists, hell, even a guy who claimed he saw a sasquatch. I am used to all sorts of idiocy, dehumanising ideologies and science denial.

I am well aware this board is not a monoculture, but the number of people falling for someone so patently pushing a divisive and ignorant distortion in my home country brings it close to home and is somewhat shocking.

That video you posted. The title is 'Tommy Robinson Andrew Norfolk finally admits it's a muslim problem’

This is firstly a blatant insertion of Tommy Robinson (aka Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon, aka Andrew McMaster aka Paul Harris) into the discussion. He's had nothing to do with the investigation. He's just inserting himself to get publicity for himself.Secondly, Andrew Norfolk does not ‘finally admits it's a muslim problem’. He says it is…

“… particular issue with small sub-section of men within the South Asian Community, predominantly Pakistani Muslim heritage”.

So, secondly misrepresentation. Did you not pick up on that? My goodness, sounds like Andrew is saying it is a cultural issue there. Which it is, as culture expresses religion rather than religion expressing culture - which is why people like ‘Tommy’ are dangerous, as they make it all about religion.

I totally agree with you that the case had gone on for years without attention, and think it is an example of poor parenting and sexist and classist attitudes in social services and the police amounting to a systemic failure to protect at risk children. The fear some in the local council, the social services and the police had of being thought racist did not help, but it was not the primary cause of lack of action.

Because you know that police and social services would reacted differently no matter what ethnicity the criminals had if the children had reasonably-off middle class parents who became mad with worry if their children were half-an-hour late coming home from a piano lesson and rang the police.

Those children suffered because of evil predatory men, shitty parents, and a system which classified working class delinquent children as not being worth protecting. That is why it went on for years.

Oh, and just as perspective. Muslims are under-represented compared to their percentage of the population if you look at the numbers in jail for sex offences, and if you look at sex-grooming gangs, the ones characterised by South Asian ethnicity typically are not primarily motivated by the age of their victims, but rather their exploitability. Sex-grooming gangs characterised by white ethnicity are typically motivated by their victims age.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

The first time she pilots the Falcon she pulls off amazing maneuvers, even flying inside a wrecked Star Destroyer.

<<She fixes the Falcon during light speed by bypassing the main compressor - something the ship's owner, Han, couldn't do. (Rey is supposed to be a scavenger - not an engineer!)>>

Yes, she scavenges parts from wrecked ships and makes them work again. We see her doing this. But having some transferable skill in this is surprising? She even knew of the ‘Falcon down to details of modifications made to it. She actually reveals this in dialog. Yet being able to fix it is surprising.

Not a Mary Sue.

<<She understands and speaks Teedo's language.>>

They’re a native species to Jakku She’s lived there a while. Guess what? I’m a Brit who lives in the Netherlands and I can speak Dutch. Wow.

Not a Mary Sue.

<<She understands BB-8's electronic language.>>

And Luke understands R2.

Not a Mary Sue.

<<She understands fluent Wookiee. Yes so could Han ... because Han and Chewie were long-time buds. But how the hell can Rey understand fluent Wookiee?>>

We don’t know her real backstory. Of course, because they threw out Abram’s story outline, it’s actually fluid as well as being unknown.

Mary Sue? Unproven.

<<She shoots and kills three troopers in quick succession after she flees Maz's cantina. How much weapons training and experience for Rey? And for the troopers?>>

Luke’s remarkably handy with a handgun and military weapons in aNH, when his only canonical firearm’s experience is with a 6-2Aug2 hunting rifle - a slug thrower.

He’s also lived a life with risk-averse foster parents albeit on a frontier rather than having to successfully survive by herself as Rey does.

Not a Mary Sue.

<>She uses a Jedi mind trick on a First Order trooper, despite having no lessons in the Force.>>
Luke has less than two days with Obi-Wan but everyone is totally happy with him pulling off a shot the Rebellion’s best pilots couldn’t make.

Not a Mary Sue.

<<The first time she picks up a light saber she bests a person who presumably had a considerable amount of training, Kylo Ren.>>

Kylo is partially trained Jedi trained by a partially trained Jedi who was has anger management issues, was emotionally disturbed having just killed his father, and was badly wounded. Canonically bowcasters are super deadly, all the Mary Sue brigade ignore that Kylo was doing well to be upright. Rey was experienced in melee combat to the extent she despathed multiple thugs after BB-8.

Not a Mary Sue.

<<She beats Luke in a stick fight, despite receiving no real training from him.>>

Which part of her being more powerful did you miss? The times it’s in the dialogue? The Force allows (this is canon) people to virtually react before the thing they are reacting to happens. I have done Historical European Martial Arts. A little bit. If I knew what my opponent was going to do I’d be able to beat far more experienced fighters

<<The first time she's seen being a gunner in the Falcon, she takes out three TIE fighters with one shot, as well as killing others. This sequence is on the salt planet near the end of TLJ. In A New Hope, Luke and Han as gunners took longer to take out four TIE fighters.

Finally she lifts loads of rocks, again with no formal Jedi training needed. Luke couldn't do this even after Yoda's training; Yoda himself looked really constipated moving an X-wing. But Rey didn't break sweat.>>

Again, the whole premise (which has nothing to do with her gender) is she’s more powerful. You are complaining about Bruce Willis surviving against ridiculous odds, about the Terminator not succeeding But it just happens to be about a girl having the plot armour you ignore men having

<<I like more than a few women heroes in movies. What I like a lot less is SJW propaganda/Mary Sue shit.>>

Again with the loaded language. You realise SJW is just a way of dismissing what people say without actually engaging in what they say? It’s like apostate or worldly.

If you’re an xJW you should know better.

Use your words. Don’t hide behind loaded language.

What is this SJW propaganda? Women can do stuff too and POC in leading roles? Don’t be upset at me assuming this is what you mean as others saying things about SJWs believe exactly that. Instead don’t used loaded language and be clear about what you mean.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

How can you get out of a cult and use loaded language like sjw?

That aside, and the fact you’re frightened by diversity (hell, women will want to have responsibilities in the Congregation next!)...

Rey is not a Mary Sue. Compared to Anakin, her abilities are far more logical. But apparently testes allow a nine year old to fly podracers at 1,000km/h and fly a spacefighter, as well as being an ace mechanic. I mean, an attractive 20ish women by herself on a frontier planet would never have learnt how to defend herself, nor have depended upon her technical skills to eat, and the fact she even says she’s flown spacecraft sub-orbitally probably got missed with her boobs getting in the way of some men listening.

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

Abaddon

When did this Board turn into an anti-Muslim and Tommy Robinson apologist support group?

He is a self-promoting criminal thug and football hooligan who has been in the leadership of several anti-immigrant organisations that attract large numbers of out-and-out racists.

Last year he was given a suspended sentence for endangering a fair trial. This year he did the same thing again, and is serving 13 months (original sentence plus sentence for reoffending).

He’s gotten exactly what he deserved.

if anyone takes the time to research the cases in addition to the fact some pretty marginal Muslims (i.e. they weren’t pillars of the Muslim community) didn’t get reported by their own community, the girls were failed by the parents, the police and social workers.

We can all get rightfully angry about sexual predators but the majority of the news coverage has failed to highlight the fact these girls were treated appallingly by those meant to protect them.

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The latest on Tommy Robinson..?

by zeb in

jw
friends

has anyone heard any thing of tommy robinson of late?.

Abaddon

What a load of nonsense.

He is a self-promoting criminal thug and football hooligan who has been in the leadership of several anti-immigrant organisations that attract large numbers of out-and-out racists.

Last year he was given a suspended sentence for endangering a fair trial. This year he did the same thing again, and is serving 13 months (original sentence plus sentence for reoffending).

He’s gotten exactly what he deserved.

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Banners for London Protest

by Farmer Jim1 in

jw
friends

hi folks, i’m attending the london protest at the excel convention in august and am making some banners.

i’m aiming for short but memorable sentences that will stick in jws minds and also make them laugh a little at their own organisation.. my best so far is ‘this is not a protest, it’s an overlapping protest’.

has anyone got any ideas for more?.

Abaddon

Oh, has anyone suggested...

'YOUR Religion is s snare and a racket'

?