Posts by Abaddon

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

cofty:

1/ Not a cartoon

2/ It's nice to argue about something that doesn't matter for a change.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

Morpheus

I missed out Yoda. But, based on a qualitative statement by a person who had met ALL of them, Rey is No. 2 and Kylo is No. 1.

Just because TPM says little Ani was the most powerful doesn’t mean he would always remain so. His grandson is apparently more powerful. And a whiney little shit.

It’s SW, it’s messy and inconsistent, but Luke’s assessment in the most recent and unambiguous.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

LovesUniHatesExams

Okay, you just lost all credibility there. You’re totally schooled about Rey’s knowledge of the ‘Falcon and of starship engineering being shown in actual film dialogue, and now you disregard that because your head canon can’t stand the dialogue implies her backstory must allow her gaining such knowledge. Rey is a competent engineer, but you can’t even see the in film reason she was hanging around on a planet scavenging rather than shipping out.

Basically you have started with an opinion and worked out rather than using the facts in the film to develop an opinion.

So, how does, in this specfic example (low income US black families) someone have equal opportunity?

I’m curious. School funding is largely local taxes. In the US people tend to live in a highly segregated fashion. This means largely black population areas have poorly funded schools whereas white majority population areas have higher average income, high receipt of local taxes, better funded schools.

This one simple example - education throught the United States - is deeply unequal in opportunity. I can given you plenty more.

So, no, if you’ve not done the research and not been exposed to such inequality of opportunity you might think that ‘generally’ there is equality of opportunity.

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

Abaddon

Again Simon, I’ve specifically mentioned the groups most offenders draw from. Again you falsely characterise me as not seeing a problem with that. Is your argument so weak that doing that is neccesary?

Why is the fact that classism and sexism in social services and police led to the suffering of children carrying on longer than it needed to something you find it hard to unequivocally admit? Why do you resist that spotlight being shone?

Because redressing systemic failings like that will protect far more children than imprisoning all Pakistan Muslim sexual predators - which should happen anyway.

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

Abaddon

So, when asked to point to factual errors or apologism Simon, you just say

”Because it's unnecessarily general - you want to just say "men" did it, of course it's factually accurate but then we could say "humans" couldn't we? I mean, isn't that even more politically correct?”

As I specifically refer to the community the men in these cases typically draw from you claim of me being general is false, and you obviously cannot point to any factual error or apologism or you would.

And you’re wrong. If the girls had been girls the police and social services valued, action would have been taken sooner.

And don’t insert Tommy into this. He didn’t break the investigation. Where does he point out the classism? The sexism? He’s not concerned with that. He’s concerned with whipping up xenophobia.

And white men do this and get away with it if the parents fail to protect, and the police and social services regard the victim as ‘that sort of girl’. And I don’t just mean Bill Wyman.

Your obsession with a minority of 1.8% of the population means you don’t focus on needed change that demogogs like Tommy ignore that would protect at risk children from all predators. As anyone with the vaguest idea about statistics can figure out more girls are at risk due to systemic failures than the gangs like in Rotherham.

I’m not defending the indefensible. Don’t distort what I’m saying. If your argument had enough merit you would not need to,

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

LoveUniHateExams

<<We see her fixing starship parts - we see her salvaging and washing ship's parts to sell to Plutt in exchange for food. Then all of a sudden, this means that later on she's a good mechanic who can fix the Falcon better than Han can. This is bollocks, and one bit of evidence for Rey being a Mary Sue.

And she has. knowledge of the 'Falcon's maintenance history - we're not told this in TFA movie. Are you sure you're not fan-splaining?>>

Consider yourself schooled:

<<<<<<<<<<<

INT. MILLENNIUM FALCON - COCKPIT - SAME Han enters the cockpit.

HAN Twelve! Fourteen.

A moment of private joy. Then he sees something that ANNOYS him:

HAN (CONT'D) Hey! Some moof-milker put a

compressor on the ignition line! Han moves to the corridor.

INT. MILLENNIUM FALCON - LOUNGE AREA - DAY

REY
Unkar Plutt did. I thought it was a

mistake too, puts too much stress on the hyperdrive--

>>>>>>>>>>>

So, Rey has knowledge of the 'Falcon's maintenance history and is knowledgable enough about starship engineering to have informed opinions about it. Maybe actually watching the movie better rather than reading the impassioned screeds of fanbois who have exploding head-canons would help in having an informed opinion?

<<Maybe she's worked with BB series droids or other astromech droids? - urggh, more fan-splaining! We don't see any other BB-type droids on Jakku, we don't even hear Rey talk about interacting with these droids before.

You know this how, having admitted we don't know her backstory - c'mon, don't be silly. Going by TFA movie, Rey shouldn't be able to understand Chewie. Finn couldn't but as a stormtrooper, FN-2187 had more likelihood of bumping into wookiees that Rey. Finn travelled around the galaxy with the First Order; Rey was abandoned on a little rock in the middle of nowhere aged about 5. And yet, somehow Rey can understand Chewie no problem, even translating Chewie's words for Luke in TLJ, but Finn can't understand sh!t.>>

Look, we've established you missed entire sections of dialogue that rubbish part of your contention. You are now claiming knowledge of a negative which as any atheist knows is impossible.

<<We certainly see Rey gain power as she realises her latent Force powers - but not by the usual Padawan-Knight-Master route that every other force-sensitive being in the whole of the SW franchise took.>>

Luke was never really a Padawan, Hell, he was never really a Jedi knight. So again, you are wrong.

<<By the time she does the rock lifting she has arguably had more training than Luke had when he destroyed the Death Star with an impossible shot - Luke had actual lessons with Ben. Lessons where Luke f**ked up and looked silly, but put these things right in later lessons. Rey's lessons with old Luke on Ahkh-To cannot be counted as actual training, surely.>>

Tatooine to Alderaan in the 'Falcon is generally accepted as being somewhere in the order of two days according to canonical data. Rey was with Luke on the island for two days (that we see). And Luke says he has only seen one person more powerful than her; that means it is, in order, Kylo, Rey, Emperor Palpatine, Anakin Skywalker, Obi-wan Kenobi. In-film dialog confirming she is more powerful than Emperor Palpatine. So they had the same training, more or less.

<<So, lifting tons of rocks w/out actual Jedi training is ridiculous, much more ridiculous that Luke hitting the main reactor.>>

See above comment.

<<Yeah, I missed that. Never seen people dancing and exchanging moves? Naturally skilled dancers can watch someone do something and duplicate it. Hell, Mozart at age 14 heard 'Miserere' a 14 minute long complex choral piece performed in the Sistine Chapel, went home, and wrote it down from memory - what the f**k has this got to do with Rey pulling off a Jedi mind trick or the SW franchise in general?! Seriously, dude.>>

No. You. Dude. Seriously. She is the second most powerful Force user Luke has met. If one of the most talented composers ever can do something NO ONE had done in 150 years - transcribing from memory a two-choir, nine voice polyphonic masterpiece - just because he was so prodigiously talented, in real life, then a similarly talented Force prodigy can do amazing shit even if she has boobs.

Nope, you being too invested in your precious head-canon to accept the twin of the powerful Jedi might have in extremis unexpected abilities - this is nonsense. Before the space-flying, Leia had only talked telepathically with Luke. That was it. Then she can fly in space. This is Mary Sue right here."

LOL, ever heard of hysterical strength? Like when a woman lifts a car of her child. Real life things happen that show you don't credit what actually happens in real life happening in a movie! I find your lack of faith disturbing. LOL

<<SJW do not exist except as a pejorative term used by those who are unable to come up with a concise description of the behaviour they are criticising or the identity of groups that exclusively engage in those behaviours, or even the listing of a local SJW group - ok, on the same basis I can say that The Patriarchy doesn't exist either, except has a pejorative term used by contemporary feminists. See, we can all play that game, chuck.>>

We live in a patriarchal society.

<<And anyway, wanting social, racial and sexual equality is not a bad thing. That's what social justice is. You fighting against that? - It depends what kind of equality we're talking about. I'm all for equality of opportunity.

But I'm dead against equality of outcome - that's what I'll be fighting against.>>

Equality of opportunity? Do we have that? When the average financial worth of a black family in the US is 1/10th of a white family? When in many companies the Board of Director is just men? You think that disparity exists when there is equality of opportunity?

Be careful how you answer that.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

_Morpheus

Totally agree that Lucas was an unsafe pair of hands for the story. When he did the p[requals no one would say 'this sucks' and look what happened.

I think you need to add in the influence of Dune, which looms large over Star Wars. But yes The Hidden Fortress and other Japanese influence are there too, and add in a WWII carrier/fighter model for space combat, with a trusty souped up freighter plane and it's charismatic rouge of a pilot.

<<Leia surviving space has NOTHING to do with space marial arts. Its was pandering to those of us that remembered her from the originals. Dont be mad that i understand her living in the vacuum of space and somehow using the force to pull her self back inside is TERRIBLE story writing.>>

I actually think that was great, emotively. I'd avoided all spoilers so I was totally in the experience and my head canon can take it. I gasped. It was emotive. Far better than the past half-dozen Marvel shit romps in twenty seconds of film. But totally ridiculous if you think about it.

<<Kylo is a TERRIBLE villian. His opening scene in tfa was fantastic. He almost immediately turned into a simpering piece of garbage. I want him to die, not because hes a villian, but because hes terribly written and not very well portrayed.>>

Have you seen the Twitter account Emo Kylo Ren @KyloR3n? It is rather fun. All the "WAH! Girl 'Jedi'! crew" seem to miss out on what a twat he is.

And I think the suckage of powerful magic users stems from lack of internal logic. Your average game of fucking D&D has more logic in progression of magic powers. If you want to have a 'logical' magical system, you have to look hard and far, for example the Rivers of London books by Ben Aaronovitch. Otherwise you end up with inflation of powers of relics of such power they would prevent the entire story from happening (like time turners in HP).

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

Abaddon

Oh come off it Simon. People like me "are the reason cases like Rotheram and so many others happen and will continue to happen"?

And "Take your "Muslim pedophile rape gang apologism" and fuck off elsewhere because I'm sick of idiots like you obsessing about "OMG, some white guy said a Muslim was bad!!!" and who is pointing to the issue than the crimes and the people who commit them."??

Behave.

Me: "Those children suffered because of evil predatory men, shitty parents, and a system which classified working class delinquent children as not being worth protecting. That is why it went on for years".

Please show me what is factually wrong with that statement or how that amounts to apologism.

This goes far beyond issues with as Andrew puts it a “… particular issue with small sub-section of men within the South Asian Community, predominantly Pakistani Muslim heritage”.

The simple fact is that if this happened to a girl called Jocelyn on the way home from pony club, the police would have arrested someone the same day, no matter what race they were.

Where is your outrage about that?

Why is looking at the mirror of our society and seeing it is lacking so hard? It doesn't detract from the issue with a non-representative portion of the Muslim community.

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

Abaddon

<<you certainly are touching on areas of discussion that were covered in past threads: white men WERE exploiting girls more frequently. Yet it also was true that the culturally more misogynistic Pakistani men were the perpetrators of the crimes against white and also Hindu girls in the northern city rape gangs.>>

No disagreement with that as it's a matter of record in both cases.

<<I believe Tommy should step aside and others with as much conviction and better tactics should do the work. ( and there are people who are trying,)

No, his goal is xenophobic. Those are his convictions. Other than his criminal record that is... LOL

And he's not going to step aside. He's a monomaniac. It's his 'job'. I know you didn't title those videos, it was not my point, my point was what I said it was. Misattribution and misrepresentation. Are those videos monetised I wonder?

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

Morpheus

This is kinda my point about a film with magic in it. People are a/ wailing they are ding the magic wrong, and b/ only complaining about them doing the magic wrong if the magic user has boobs.

Films with magic require disbelief. Choosing to make a fuss about this who you have to suspend disbelief about a female character when no one did this when TPM came out is indicative of issues the complainer has with gender rather than an issue they have with magic.