This might be grammatical, but it IS funny;
"And he went out into the porch; and the cock crew."
And the cock crew did what?
Abaddon
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Bible Error: Peter Denies Knowing Jesus
by JosephAlward inin the dialogue below, jesus scoffs at peters claim that he will give his life for jesus.
he tells peter that before the sun comes up in the morning--before the rooster crows--peter would that very night pretend he did not even know jesus.. .
readers should note especially that in the john passage below, jesus is predicting that the rooster would not crow until after peter has denied knowing jesus three times.. .
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Feng Shui
by Lost Diamond inhave any of you ever looked into feng shui?
if so, what is your feeling on it?
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Abaddon
Sirona; no problems and all the best as ever!
Serious question though; I find myself at times very intolerant of intolerance and it pisses me off no end. I wish I could be reasonable, but it's a major 'hot button' for me. Do you ever find this? The contradiction drives me crazy as it makes me loose perspective.
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Depressed Or British?
by Englishman indepressed man diagnosed as "british" from the guardian:.
george farthing, an expatriate british man living in america, was recently diagnosed as clinically depressed, tanked up on anti-depressants and scheduled for controversial shock therapy when doctors realised he wasn't depressed at all - only british.
not depressed, just british: .
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Abaddon
Eman, that was delightful, thank you"!
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Why doen't God perform miracles today?
by sleepy inwhy did jesus do miracles?.
it is alledged that some 2000 years ago a man claimed to be the son of god , or even god himself (depends what religion you are).. in order to give some weight to his cliam he did some miracles, cured a few lepers, made a slap up lunch out of some fish and bread, and took a walk on some water.. all this to prove he was gods son.. but to prove it to who?.
if you ask a witness why god doen't perform miracles today , what do they say.. we don't need miracles today we have it all written in the bible.. der.
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Abaddon
How can one say that there were over 300 prohecies fufilled by Jesus, when it is quite questionable whether he was a historical person at all?
As Xander touches on, there are less than a handfull of references to Jesus in contemporary texts, and those that are there are considered by many scholars to be added later. There is no reference anywhere in any historical document other than the Bible of the dead rising from their tombs and preaching God's word in Jerusalem after Jesus died. How can this be extraordinary event be 'missed' out of contemorary history? Maybe it didn't happen! If this didn't happen, what else didn't happen? The resurrection? The walking on water? The feeding of five thousand? His entire life?
Look at the parrallels between the Jesus story and the Buhdda story... and by that, I mean go and look at the life story of the Buhdda for yourself. You will be amased at the level of similarity, and Buhdda pre-dates Christ. Look at the parrallels between some Christian beliefs and those of Zorastorians.
Maybe the reason all those 'prophecies' are fulfilled is that the Jesus story was written so that his 'life' fufilled all the prohecies.
And, if god cares, and would not destroy a city if there were more than a handfull of good people in it (Lot), why does he now give no sign today? The lack of proof of the existance of god is the biggest proof there is no god. We are meant to work out who is right from a host of religions, not JUST the Christian ones, and we have no evidence to base this on. How loving! Our fate is based on a guessing game where the evidence of the Hindu, Seikh, Muslim or Buhddist is as convincing as that of the Christian.
Or are all paths paths to god? In which case, why does god allow some paths to be damaging to those that follow them? Is the claim that 'it gets kissed better in the afterlife' any justification for all the harm triggered by religion in the here and now?
God would not allow his name to be so polluted.
If there were a loving god, the existance of it and its way would be made obvious by him. All it would take is making big letters, readable to all, blaze in the sky reading "Actually, God does exist" to make people believe. It would be as inarguable as gravity.
But, not only is there no proof of miracles (other than those that are claimed by religionists of all faiths, all of which elude scientific validation), there is no such obvious path, which means either god does not care, or he does not exist.
In either case, worship would seem to be futile.
The comments regarding natural philosophy and science by Xander are spot on. Yeah, the 'scientists' 'of the day' believed the world was flat, that the Earth was the centre of the Universe, that if trains went too fast the oxygen would be sucked out of peoples lungs... all sort of dumb things.
Sometimes, they even went back to believing dumb things, like the Earth being flat, because religious people made it very clear they would be invited to a bonfire, with them starring as the wood, if they believed otherwise; hell, a Greek mathematician calculated the diameter of the Earth's GLOBE a good thousand years before Colombus 'proved' it was round AGAIN, and the minute the Church knew that there were souls to convert and gold to get, they were quite happy for the world to be round.
Comparing dumb ass religously influenced natural philosophy using non-scientic methodology to modern science is a non sequiter. The closest comparison is certain biblical apologists whose approach to science is rather un-scientific and reminiscent of the natural philosophers of old. We call them creationists, flood geologists, etc., nowadays.
Now this does not mean that scientists don't make mistakes, but the entire methodology of experimentation and peer review helps minimise that. Mistakes and charlatans get spotted quite quickly nowadays; the Chinese bird-dinosaur, for example (which was actually made up of two fossils, expertly faked to look like one, and which amusingly is still scientifically important as the two species used to make the fake are both previously unknown and transitional in structure ANYWAY), cold-fusion, etc. Also, as more evidence is found, scientific knowledge is refined. Religious knowledge is not refined with the discovery of new evidence, it's mainly all a big fat lump of assumptions passed on for generations.
For all religionist's criticism of scientific theory, they get awfully flighty when you point out all they have is a theory which is vanishingly light on evidence. You could bury St. Pete's in Rome under scientific evidence and still have dozens of museums and Universities full of more evidence. So who's silly? Science is a hundred and fifty years old and has proven many things. Religion is thousands of years old and has only proved one thing; that it's a mind virus humans are susceptable too. It's even been scientifically shown that high levels of religious belief is genetic... does that mean people with the wrong genes are in god's bad books by right of birth? Purlease!
As regards your miracle Apostate Man, your experience in giving up smoking was just self-will, bolstered by the placebo effect of thinking god was helping. If god WAS helping, I think his order of priorities is screwed. Help Apostate Man quit smoking. Watch babies die. Yay god!
As for the get up and walk incident, well, authenticated X-Rays showing a severed spinal chord would be nice, not cause I don't believe what you say, but because there is a lot of difference between proving a severed spinal chord re-grew in a church service, and having to accept on the evidence that the placebo effect of belief, combined with natural healing proccess, reached a point where the trauma to the spinal chord had healed to a point where walking was possible.
A spinal chord doesn't have to be severed to be useless, it can be so bruised and traumatised it's regarded as useless, but in such cases recovery can and does occur... even to atheists reading 'Scientific American' (although I have no proof of that, it's just a joke!)
Miracles are subjective. Science is objective. DIfferent things.
Anyone with objective proof of a miracle is free to provide it!
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Stop calling Britain, England.
by sleepy injust a small request to you all.. britian is not england.. england is a part of britian, as is wales, scotland .a lot of what you may think is english is in fact welsh or scotish.. it is like me refering to the usa as new york .. if this carries on i'll have no other choice but to call the usa canada.
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Abaddon
I tend to use English or England when refering to myself as it's what I am, English. I'm a quarter Welsh, but never lived there. I was conceieved in Naples, Italy, but never lived there. English is as English does.
Besides, nowadays you have some Scots or Welsh (or Cornish) person yelling (rightfully) "Don't make statements about Britain or the British when you mean England or the English, we're not English!" if you get careless.
When I was talking about the Royal Family the other day, I puposefully talked about England, as more Scots have Republican aspirations than English people, from what I understand, and half of Northern Ireland would love to be a Republic, so it wouldn;t be accurate to refer to Great Britain or the UK.
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ARK eologists
by refiners fire inhere in australia a war has been going on for years in the media and in the courts.. the combatants:.
professor ian plimer, professor of geology at melbourne university.. and the "creation science foundation" run by a. a. snelling and carl wieland.. these men have sued and brawled with each other for years.. plimer wrote a book, a few years ago called.
"telling lies for god", a large portion of which discussed, and debunked, the possibility of noahs ark having been a literal boat.. still, what plimer calls "arkeologists"stage regular forays into turkey, looking for noahs ark on the mythical mount "ararat".. plimer says of these "arkeologists":.
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Abaddon
Hey hooberus... the comment about the magic search engine was a joke, but I guess you know that!
Have you actually read anything on the TalkOrigins site? I say this, as my experience has shown that people have a tendancy to say "Oh, that's all dealt with on x site", when in fact, they haven't read the site they say is being refuted.
As an example of what I mean, feel free to post any refutation of evolutionary theory from any website in the world. I am pretty sure that I will be able to show it's NOT a real refutation, just creationist window-dressing, either from what I know (it's a pet subject of mine), or from material on the web.
I don't believe in evolution becasue I want to, I believe in it as it's the best set of theories.
If you do post something (please avoid Young Earth Creationist stuff; I want something a little harder than that, unless you really believe the Earth is a few thousand years old, in which case I'll be happy to address that), bear in mind I'm away from a PC until Tuesday.
Regards
Gyles
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*de-lurk* yet another life story...
by iggy_the_fish inive been as occasional lurker here for a little while, trying to get oriented.
my theocratic autobiography: my mother became a jehovahs witness when i was approx.
10. my father opposed this, but they still live together to this day.
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Abaddon
iggy; "It might take years for me to deprogram myself from my belief in God, and for what benefit?"
Huge benefit mate. You've wasted time, like we all did, living a lie spun by the WTBTS. Why waste more time finding out what all the lies of the WTBTS are, when the whole god idea might just be another lie?
It would be like washing and polishing an imaginary car on SUnday morning.
The sites referenced by other regarding evolution are excellent; your reply indicates that you have swallowed the society line on evolution hook, line and sinker - like we all did. Also try http://www.observer.org/ there's an excellent review there of one or two of the Borg's evolution books (the Creation and Creator books I think) that will have a major impact on your thinking.
All the best again, and remember, you don't have to believe what we believe, we're just giving you pointers to things we found useful.
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Feng Shui
by Lost Diamond inhave any of you ever looked into feng shui?
if so, what is your feeling on it?
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Abaddon
I saw Sirona's and seven006's (subsequently deleted) replies yesterday, but didn't have time to reply and am glad I didn't at the time as I was a little annoyed.
Thank you for deleting that seven006; I hope that means you realise it had nothing to do with your post! If I meant to insult YOU, I'd of done it by name...!
I guess I can understand WHY Sirona might take my comment the wrong way, although am a little surprised she would immediately leap to assumptions regarding racism.
I know that tolerance is a big thing for you, and respect that Sirona, but you have to tolerate others rights to think something is silly. Do I have to smile respectfully when a Dub tells me he's gonna live forever and I will be destroyed? No! Do I have to smile respectfully when someone tells me Chem Trails are a US government plot designed to turn Northern America into a hunting reserve for the New World Order? No! Do I have react differently to something fanciful just because it is old and Chinese? No! I smiled and ate bullshit long enough.
Feng Shui is as scientically valid a way of arranging your furniture as Astrology is a scientifically valid way of planning your life. If it makes you feel better, great, but I'll giggle until you can prove it's anything other than a placebo effect. All Feng Shui is is Chinese interior design with added mystical bollocks. The principles might be fine and sensible, but the theory as to why they are fine and sensible, the energy flows etc...
Mirrors are an irritant to the bedroom area, contributing to poor sleep as they bounce energy currents back and forth.
.. are rampant twaddle. And I like mirrors in bedrooms.If you find that hard to tolerate, I'll just turn it into a religion, and then you'll have to tolerate it...
I was actually making a joke based upon the Chinese love of word play. Although I speak nothing bar a few words of Chinese, from what I have read, they are well aware of the confusion that their tonal languages cause in other languages... one word, with a different tone, can mean five or more things, as their languages are made up of monsyllables with a very strict regular structure of word endings, making tonal variation the only possible way of generating enough different sounds.
One classic example is a Cantonese word which mean either 'big boss' or 'lavatory attendant', and which the Chinese used to refer to the European owners of trading companies in Hong Kong.
I work for a Taiwanese company, and they have a very English sense of humour - wordplay, toilet humour and humiliation are the staples.
Thus, to me, the idea that 'feng shui' means 'interior design', but is also used by the Chinese to mean 'dumb foreigner' is a funny idea.
It was a joke aimed at faddy Westerners, that's all.
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Are JW Kids Worse Disproportionately?
by patio34 inin a conversation with my son, we were going over all the young people he grew up with that were jws.
there seemed to be an inordinate proportion of felons among them, compared to the "worldly" people in his school.
and also compared to the people at work that i know whose kids are doing fine now.. our tentative theory is that raising kids as jws can be very damaging to many of them.
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Abaddon
The problem, I think, is the skill Dubbie kids develop in leading two lives.
Almost all do it to some extent or the other, even if it's down to just keeping their masturbation a secret, rather than admitting it as they should and receieving guidance and council. Obviously with most, having wordly friends, not appearing like a freak at school, taking part in unapproved activities secretly rather than not at all, and keeping one's innermost thought secret are additonal behaviours that are developed.
'Wordly' kids obviously might have to develop the same skills. For a Dubbie kid it's almost essential for sanity.
Obviously, most kids keep their maturbation a secret, but doing so isn't 'wrong' to them.
The abilty to conceal wrong thus develops from an early age. JW kids are trained to lie, as they have to to survive.
This development of an ability to deceive one's parents so as to be able to attain 'normal' goals in life can carry on as a habit, even outside the cult.
Some xJW's find it easy to carry on deceiving people to achieve their goals. Even after being removed from an environment where deception to attain normality is almost compulsory, this habit of deception can be carried over to where one uses it to attain whatever a goal might be, rather than just attaining some semblance of normality. The goal becomes the focus, regardless of means.
I doubt if I'm the only xJW with a criminal record. I was stupid, and commited fraud to finance my study at University. I thought I had no other way of escaping, as everything I had went to my x-wife and kids, and the fact it was wrong was not important enough to me at the time to stop me doing it. My goal was more important than my means.
I gave myself up after three years and did Community Service, as I didn't want it hanging over me, and had recovered enough of a moral framework to realise I had done something that I actually strongly disapproved of.
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BIBLE STORIES WITH LEGOS!!!
by spender inhttp://www.thereverend.com/brick_testament/index.html .
i found this link hilarious...i hope some of you do too :) the one about judas is great, as well as the one about women, and the one about marriage :) check it out!
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Abaddon
I think I should send this to my dad...
It is VERY funny...