Posts by Abaddon

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

Actually, opposition to same sex marriage in the US is 39%, having fallen in recent years from 48%. About 40% only think abortion is acceptable if the mother's life is at risk. If you don't think those are a religiously-predicated opinions I don't know what would qualify.

In contrast, in Turkey 43%, in Pakistan 34%, in Morocco 29% of Muslims want their religious laws forced on non-Muslims.

So, no lies Simon - I was out be a few percent for Turkey as I was quoting off the top of my head.

And, again, you mischaracterise my argument.

I describe the awful things that were acceptable in our society two hundred years ago and say how some Islamic cultures are essentially comparable to then as they have not been subjected to the ameliorating influence of secularism.

I'm not denying that there are problems with certain groups of Muslims or that they do bad things.

But I refuse to reduce Muslims to a monolithic block or fall for the same divisive prejudiced nonsense that is spewed by the Tommy's of today or the Mosley's of the past.

The simplistic calls to action such people make neither describe the issue comprehensively or provide a solution. They do create an 'other' to be vilified and rejected, the populist's answer to everything - find someone who is different you can blame, use it to get followers.

I stand with peaceful law-abiding citizens no matter what their beliefs. I have seen firsthand more violence and hatred directed AT immigrants than I have ever seen directed BY immigrants, and I've lived most of my life in mixed communities.

And I lived in London when Catholic terrorists were bombing the shit out of it through the seventies - had one go off outside my bedroom window close enough to see the flash. But I never confused the Irish people I went to school with or worked with with terrorists and have a similar lack of difficulty confusing Muslims I know with terrorists even when some of that religion commit dreadful cowardly attacks deliberately targeting people that the IRA normally avoided doing on the mainland (different story in NI though).

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

Abaddon

humbled

"But there are many sympathetic to the troubles within Muslim communities who know that education and focused efforts to assistance assimilation must come.

Attention is needed to avoid violence."

Yes.

If in October 2001, the US had started a massive campaign in conjunction with its allies in which throughout the developing world a water supply was installed in every village and a school and health centre built within walking distance, it would have cost less than the War on Terror.

The money of course would to have been an internal investment as military spending is. Would not have bought as many votes.

But it would make it very hard for those who wanted to spread hate in the developing world to get traction, as they would need to convince people whose mother draws fresh water from a tap with a sign saying 'A gift from the people of the European Union' next to it, and who went to school at a school with a little sign saying 'A gift from the people of America' that the West is their enemy.

And it would make the immigrant populations in the West feel proud, not conflicted when they saw this on TV. How can a young man get angry about water, schools and hospitals? What a comparison to seeing their co-religionists bombed...

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

Abaddon

cofty

More Christians in the US support the imposition of religiously-predicated laws on non-Christians than Muslims in Turkey support the imposition of religiously-predicated laws on non-Muslims.

What's their excuse?

Do they feel that their beliefs are marginalised and that they are not accepted?

Possibly.

Are they representative of Christians in the USA?

Nope.

Let's call these Extreme Christians.

Are the majority of Christians in the US people who don't want to force their beliefs on others, and good neighbours working hard to give their children a better life, wanting to live peacefully and law abidingly with their neighbours no matter what their beliefs or ethnicity?

Certainly. Lets call these Moderate Christians.

What happens when people criticise Extreme Christians who want to force their religion on others? At least some of the Moderate Christians feel bound to support their fellow religionists.

Muslims are exactly the same. The ones you are worrying about are not a majority, not even close. But obsessing about them makes them feel even more excluded from the society they live in, and means some of their co-religionists feel bound by loyalty to them.

Rather than focusing on our best allies, the religious moderates, and making them feel more included in society and untainted by association them people whose beliefs they don't share and whose violence they repudiate, people focus on the minority that is doing wrong and make the situation worse.

Let the government agencies focus on anyone who wants to break the law. And give those who want to be isolationist (but still law abiding) the same right we give the most orthodox of Jews or Christian groups to be isolationists.

"The West do not have the time and patience to wait for an Islamic 'Reformation'. Neither would that be possible since Islam has no central authority in the way 16th century Christendom did."

I'm not even talking of the 16th Century or the Reformation. I am talking about secularisation. Totally different thing. Christianity has had no role in secularisation other than as a screeching and protesting retardant. The lack of a centralised Islamic authority therefore has nothing to do with the potential of Muslims to secularise, and in fact is something that could speed it, as well as the fact they are following a trail that has been blazed.

I don't know where you live, but I see Muslims who are as nominal as you could imagine, but would still tick 'Muslim' on a survey. They might attend mosque occasionally or not, just as nominal Christians attend church sometimes. They might answer questions as they think a Muslim should, just as Christians do. But they don't observe dietary restrictions, do have sex before marriage, and drink alcohol.

It's the way that it is going to go. Saudi is finally reforming - our supposed ally who has sponsored their culturally retarded form of Wa'habi Islam being preached in mosques and madrasas around the world - the form of Islam being most every terrorist Islamist group. Iran wavers on the verge of a new cultural revolution. Whether the West wants to wait is barely immaterial as there is nothing to do but wait and foster peace by mindful action. The War on Terror did no one any good, other than the politicians it helped stay in power and the corporations that made billions.

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tommy Robinson --update

by zeb in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

this is self explanatory.

please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

Abaddon

Why are you posting prejudiced shit resolute Bandicoot? And what if I were a Muslim?

I've no interest in listening to a bigot on YouTube blow off with error after error in his monolog, but quite happy to have a dialog with you if you use your own words to express what you think.

I find it absolutely hysterical when non-believers take 'holy books' more seriously than the majority of the believers do, as most believers, whether they are Christian or Muslim only take what is convenient to them.

Look at how the expression of Christianity has changed in two hundred years - not because of any revelation from god, but because secularism and pragmatism has rubbed off the awkward bits and allowed people to ignore large parts of the Bible.

Islam is at the beginning of this process in many countries. Outside of the febrile imaginations of those pushing divisive ideologies, many Muslims in the West are well down this road.

The fact is culture expresses religion; religion does not express culture. This is how nasty, sexist, violent, racist Christian countries changed to far more peaceful and egalitarian ones. The culture changed, and people reinterpreted the religion accordingly (and became more and more nominal believers if not outright atheists). Our great great great grandfathers would consider the education of women nonsense, wife beating and marital rape a man's right, that an unchaperoned woman was a whore, that a woman showing her hair in public was likewise a whore, that it was right to impose religion with violence, that slavery was ok, that invading countries for trade or resources or just for land was totally permissible, that god created the world in seven days...

The culture in parts of some Muslim countries is basically unchanged from the time of WWII (and in many cases that means it closely resembled the culture in the country two hundred years ago, thus my comparison with great great great grandfathers), in others it has progressed. Immigrants carry cultural values with them, their children possess a blend, their grandchildren begin to resemble the 'norm' for that country. This has happened with almost every immigrant group in the past.

It will happen with Muslims because they are people just like us. The vast majority of the Muslims I have lived, worked and studied with are no more a risk to society than the average nominal member of the C of E, so it is happening, has happened.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

LoveUniHateExams

i was riffing off your handle.

And yes, suggesting that black families have 1/10 the net worth of white families because black people are lazy IS racist.

if you doubt this, venture this opinion at work or in ethnically diverse company.

I know you won’t do that off course. You’ll advance racist ideas when you have the protection of anonymity but doing it at work where (in any decent company) that would end you up in HR, or where you’d have to say that to a black person’s face and it’s a different story.

Which proves you know it’s racist on some level.

You need to really have a good long think about that attitude. I’m not making out you’re dyed in the wool irredeemable. But your ideas in that area are reprehensible

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

_Morpheus

ok, nonchalantly dismissing the fact that you missed the most powerful samurai, sorry “jedi”, on your list discredits you quite a bit.

I admit I made a mistake. This is actually very credible as wantstodossaroundatuniandnotstudyhardandisabitracist avoids admitting he is wrong when he is shown to be wrong quite conclusively.

However, my wrongness does not change my point. The line of dialog is quite clearly expository. You can 'in their prime' all you like. Luke has full knowledge of them 'in their prime' even if he met them later.

He didn't say 'Yeah, Rey, you're almost as strong as Kylo, but, hell, you kids were not a patch on Kylo's grandad in his prime, and taking Palpatine and Yoda into consideration maybe you're in the top five, top ten most powerful Force users I know of'. If that is the message they had want us to hear, that is what Luke would have said. He didn't. It wasn't.

I've already covered the inconsistency. It's like the Borg. New Light is that Kylo and Run are the most powerful Force users ever. Deal with it.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

LoveUniHateExams

Ah, so now you admit that Rey IS a competent engineer. Which is good. Because it is in the movie. And yes, of course the writer decided that. It is called FICTION. That is how it works. It's like Obi-wan was just this old hermit, and the the writer decided he was a Jedi knight. But apparently that is OK as he has testicles.

And yes, you have a different option to me, and as it seems to be based on missing dialog in the film which makes you make false claims, your opinion sucks.

<<There are many factors why black families have lower income than white families... one might be ... and brace yourself because this may offend ... laziness might be a factor.>>

You are claiming that other races are superior. I know you will caveat and say 'no, no, I just think black people might be lazy I don't think other races are superior', but you obviously do think that black people are, on average lazier. Because you said it. And that is a claim of racial superiority, however much you choose to hand wave and deny it.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

cofty:

1/ Not a cartoon

2/ It's nice to argue about something that doesn't matter for a change.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

Morpheus

I missed out Yoda. But, based on a qualitative statement by a person who had met ALL of them, Rey is No. 2 and Kylo is No. 1.

Just because TPM says little Ani was the most powerful doesn’t mean he would always remain so. His grandson is apparently more powerful. And a whiney little shit.

It’s SW, it’s messy and inconsistent, but Luke’s assessment in the most recent and unambiguous.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Abaddon

LovesUniHatesExams

Okay, you just lost all credibility there. You’re totally schooled about Rey’s knowledge of the ‘Falcon and of starship engineering being shown in actual film dialogue, and now you disregard that because your head canon can’t stand the dialogue implies her backstory must allow her gaining such knowledge. Rey is a competent engineer, but you can’t even see the in film reason she was hanging around on a planet scavenging rather than shipping out.

Basically you have started with an opinion and worked out rather than using the facts in the film to develop an opinion.

So, how does, in this specfic example (low income US black families) someone have equal opportunity?

I’m curious. School funding is largely local taxes. In the US people tend to live in a highly segregated fashion. This means largely black population areas have poorly funded schools whereas white majority population areas have higher average income, high receipt of local taxes, better funded schools.

This one simple example - education throught the United States - is deeply unequal in opportunity. I can given you plenty more.

So, no, if you’ve not done the research and not been exposed to such inequality of opportunity you might think that ‘generally’ there is equality of opportunity.