what say you on the following news article?.
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/5954814.htmwoman sues to hide face in license photo.
mike schneider.
teenyuck:
The crime issue is also of concern. If no one except her husband knows what she looks like, she could sneak out, committ a crime, sneak back and who could identify her? Her husband?
One would think that this would be a concern for her too - that someone wearing a veil would commit a crime and then she would be wrongly accused of a crime she didn't commit. Is her "religious freedom" worth that?
what say you on the following news article?.
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/5954814.htmwoman sues to hide face in license photo.
mike schneider.
SevenofNine writes:
I wonder if she drives with her veil in place? In some states you're not permitted to hang dice or the like from your rear view mirror because it is distracting and blocks your vision. And a veil doesn't?
There are lots of Muslims where I live and I've seen veiled women driving. I won't comment further.
On the other hand, not all Muslims are as extreme as this, and will permit their photographs to be taken. Some only cover their hair and neck. Others only leave their eyes showing. Some even cover their eyes with a netting that allows them to see out, but doesn't allow other people to see them.
I hope this woman's photo album gets subpoenaed into evidence. If there are family photos of her since her conversion to Islam, without the veil, she really doesn't have much of a case, does she?
Meg
what say you on the following news article?.
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/5954814.htmwoman sues to hide face in license photo.
mike schneider.
I wonder if she is veiled in her passport photo?
I wonder if she realizes that if every Muslim woman insisted on being veiled in their ID photographs, she could be mistaken for someone else very easily? Maybe she needs to be incarcerated for a mistaken identity for a while to realize that there are things - like the freedom she enjoys going from her home to where ever - that outweigh religious freedom.
I dunno.... unless she's letting other veiled friends use her driver's licence... it doesn't make sense that a person wouldn't want a photo ID showing their whole face.
Meg
things have calmed down again with my mother to the point where i found myself once again in her kitchen last night.
drinking too many cups of coffee as i always do at her house, i imagine if i were a smoker i'd have been lighting one cigarette after another instead.
it had been a pleasant enough evening, i sat there with my crocheting in my lap, something i always take with me to my mother's house so that if i get nervous or stressed out, my hands, and my mind, have something to do and somewhere to go.
{{{{{Essie}}}}}}
I can't even find an obituary on him anywhere
Gawd that's harsh. Not even worthy of a remembrance in death for the sake of his wife and child.
There are far too many of these meaningless, senseless and cruel deaths. The WTS has much innocent blood on their hands. Nothing can justify even one of these wrongful deaths. Nothing.
You write so eloquently, Essie.... your memories of Drew are a wonderful tribute to him. I am sure someone would be interested (a local newspaper, perhaps) in publishing his story.... "Not Just Another Suicide" or something along those lines. People need to know how devastating it can be to be disfellowshipped. This is a time in a person's life when they need love, support and guidance THE MOST, and the WTS casts them aside like garbage.
About 15 years ago, I too lost a friend to suicide a short time after she was disfellowshipped. I didn't know about either the DFing or the suicide until it was too late. The pain you are feeling is all too familiar to me. {{{{{{ Essie }}}}}
i noticed something that was said on another thread, and it's off the topic of the particular thread, so i'm giving it a spot of its own.i think that's the source of a lot of our problems when it comes to race ignorance of others' feelings as well as pent-up hurt feelings that need to get out.. .
those are very intelligent words, and i believe they go beyond the issue of race.
they can probably be applied to every disagreement between any two people anywhere on the planet.
I noticed something that was said on another thread, and it's off the topic of the particular thread, so I'm giving it a spot of its own.
I think that's the source of a lot of our problems when it comes to race – ignorance of others' feelings as well as pent-up hurt feelings that need to get out.
Those are very intelligent words, and I believe they go beyond the issue of race. They can probably be applied to every disagreement between any two people anywhere on the planet.
How do people ignore someone else's feelings? Here are just a few ways. You can probably think of others:
Where do pent-up hurt feelings come from? Here are just a few ways. You can probably think of others:
We're all grown-ups here. There is no need to discount each other's opinions and feelings and personal experience. We all have different perspectives on situations, based on how we experience and perceive the world around us.
Let's try to honor and respect that part of each other that is unique and special to the person. Check your words for anything that might make the person you are addressing feel attacked or invalidated. If you find something like that, see if your message can be delivered in a way that respects them and their feelings.
If you can't do that, if your personality clash is so beyond repair that you simply cannot talk to someone without baiting them or attacking them or ascribing bad motives to them, try to find the inner strength to NOT GO THERE. Boycott them. Do not respond to their threads or posts. Do not even read their posts. You'll both save each other a lot of grief.
If you've hurt someone in this way, even unintentionally, the kind thing to do would be to offer a sincere apology. You don't always have to be right.
Meg
