Posts by TTATTelder

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Service Meeting Part about Sisters Wearing Head Coverings

by TTATTelder in

this week's service meeting had another part about women wearing head coverings.there's already been a post about it, but i would like some thoughts from the forum on the scripture referenced.

11: 3-10. i want to focus on verses 4-6. it says this (nnwt):.

"4)every man who prays or prophesies with something on his head shames his head; 5) but every woman who prays or prophesies+ with her head uncovered shames her head, for it is one and the same as if she were a woman with a shaved head.

TTATTelder

Justitia Themis,

Interesting point. I hadn't thought about it that way.

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Service Meeting Part about Sisters Wearing Head Coverings

by TTATTelder in

this week's service meeting had another part about women wearing head coverings.there's already been a post about it, but i would like some thoughts from the forum on the scripture referenced.

11: 3-10. i want to focus on verses 4-6. it says this (nnwt):.

"4)every man who prays or prophesies with something on his head shames his head; 5) but every woman who prays or prophesies+ with her head uncovered shames her head, for it is one and the same as if she were a woman with a shaved head.

TTATTelder

KateWild

Sorry for your ordeal. I can only imagine the emotions you have been going through.

The part felt very sexist when being delivered at our hall. What's interesting is there were some new female studies there, and the study conductors were scrambling trying to do damage control.

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Service Meeting Part about Sisters Wearing Head Coverings

by TTATTelder in

this week's service meeting had another part about women wearing head coverings.there's already been a post about it, but i would like some thoughts from the forum on the scripture referenced.

11: 3-10. i want to focus on verses 4-6. it says this (nnwt):.

"4)every man who prays or prophesies with something on his head shames his head; 5) but every woman who prays or prophesies+ with her head uncovered shames her head, for it is one and the same as if she were a woman with a shaved head.

TTATTelder

This week's service meeting had another part about women wearing head coverings.There's already been a post about it, but I would like some thoughts from the forum on the scripture referenced. It is 1Cor. 11: 3-10. I want to focus on verses 4-6. It says this (NNWT):

"4)Every man who prays or prophesies with something on his head shames his head; 5) but every woman who prays or prophesies+ with her head uncovered shames her head, for it is one and the same as if she were a woman with a shaved head. 6) For if a woman does not cover herself, she should have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved, she should be covered."

Other translations including the ONWT render vs 6 as "let her also be shorn" - as in shearing a sheep!

Does this not basically say that if a woman is caught not wearing a head covering in certain settings then she should have her head shaved or shorn??

Was this meant to be taken literal???...or was Paul just trying to make a point (in a very degrading way)?

P.S. The elder that handled this part at our hall has a reputation for being a bit chauvinistic towards his wife and other sisters in the hall. The way he delivered the part by reading the entire 8 verse passage to the congregation made for a very uncomfortable scene. It made me embarrassed to be there.

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WTS overboard w/suggested presentation

by doinmypart in

the nov 2013 km contains an article that is ridiculous in its level of minutae.. they focus on the word "because".

they tell jws to use the word "because" when explaining why they're at the homeowner's door.

writing department, you wrote an article on the use of the word "because"?

TTATTelder

Agreed Island Man

Holy Spirit shouldn't need sales training.

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WTS overboard w/suggested presentation

by doinmypart in

the nov 2013 km contains an article that is ridiculous in its level of minutae.. they focus on the word "because".

they tell jws to use the word "because" when explaining why they're at the homeowner's door.

writing department, you wrote an article on the use of the word "because"?

TTATTelder

The WTBTS study things like NLP - Neuro Linguistic Programing and all the things they tell the dubs to avoid like the plague.

The word "because" is supposed to be a NLP trigger word. It is supposed to have a manipulative effect influencing people especially when the word is emphasized in the dialougue. It puts people at ease and is more likely to ellicit permission from the householder to give a presentation because it answers the question WHY? - as in Why are you here?

NLP is kin to hypnosis. I thought that stuff was linked to spiritism and the Devil?

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jw.org

by d in

what do you people here on the forum think of the new jw website.

i find it strange how when i was jw they made a big deal out of the internet saying it was bad.but now they new this new website and they keep promoting on their literature..

TTATTelder

DD

That's unbelievable. I had to look it up myself just to see it.

They think they're slick by bringing up the subject of propaganda - like they're agaist such a thing.

They are bold. I will give them that, but always in a one-way conversation. - like jgnat said

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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

by Simon in

jw
friends

it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

TTATTelder

I think there is a "straw that breaks the camel's back" factor. I think all JW's are carrying at least some doubts and have noticed their fair share of discrepancy.

It is just a matter of time before many of them have simply had enough. This may be when something bad happens to them or to someone else at the hands of the elders or whatever the case may be.

I just believe that there are always cracks in the foundation before this happens. Otherwise they would go along the whole "Jehovah is just allowing this to happen for some reason" routine as many "faithful" do.

I will add this: This new light business is creating cracks for many people. It also reminds people of their old doubts (generation change etc). They aren't leaving immediately, but it piles more on the "camel's back" for when the big "straw" comes down the line or they simply can't take it anymore.

Sites like this help solidify the "break" once it happens. Jwfacts was priceless for me. This site gave me a place to vent and realize how many people are in the same boat.

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What was your "Aha!" moment?

by Hortenzie in

for me it was when i learned that gb makes their decisions by 2/3 majority vote, not by direction of holy spirit..

TTATTelder

My aha interestingly came from dealing with things in the congregations I've been in. I have dealt with and seen politics, nepotism, and outright slanderous deceit from elders off and on my entire life.

As if dealing with the bad seeds wasn't bad enough, the "good guys" would often sit idly by and do nothing. The CO's would turn their heads and even look at concerned publishers as the troublemakers.

Then one day it hit me.

I looked at the organization like a business for the first time. When you have rampant problems in a large corporation it is always reflective of the upper management. If you have a back-biting, nasty, political environment in a company, it's because the upper management is indirectly if not directly creating that culture.

The politics and deep seated problems in the WTBTS go all the way to the top. That's the only explanation of how some of these congregations can get to such a deplorable spiritual level and nothing be done about it. The emphasis on status quo over spirituality goes all the way to the top. I have now confirmed that through research and investigation.

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"They're only human!" (the most common defence of the Governing Body)

by Watchtower-Free in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkjk3eyd7ee.

TTATTelder

Moses performed miracles that proved God's backing.

Where are the GB miracles?

I guess the miracle of it taking 6000 hrs of angel-directed field service to produce one baptism?

I guess the miracle of not understanding who the FDS was until 2013?

I guess the miracle of teaching a false 'generation' teaching to an entire generation of people?

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Sometimes you just want to scream

by Separation of Powers in

well, i have been posting here on and off for a while now.

it is good to see the progress that so many have made.

i have appreciated your experiences, your humour, your struggles, etc.. as i sit here today, i realize that i have made progress as well.

TTATTelder

I know how you feel SOP.

I am going through the same thing. Imagine being appointed an elder right when all of this starts coming together for you.

I can't believe people lap it up like they do either... but then again it hurts to face the truth. You are talking about people's complete world-view being ripped out from under them if they face facts.

I also am shocked at all the recent talk about money. I mean we all know they are sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars and yet are still constantly asking for more.

I am waiting for something big to come along and make this easy for us to walk away from. May not happen.