do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
It's either unguided bucket chemistry or it's magic.
Soia showed it is the former - cofty
Sorry I am not convinced, it's still open for discussion, no where in the seven page paper did Soai say it was unguided
Nobody can or can't prove the existence of God, but we a free to believe as we wish without fear of being shunned by society, sadly some are shunned for their views by JWs.
Kate xx
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
The L-enantiomer in nature is not a slight surplus it's a huge majority. This is called a homochiral mixture.- Kate
That is not what homochiral means.- Viv
Yes that is exactly what a homochiral mixture is.
What do you think homochiral is?
You are quick to tell posters what you think is wrong about my chemistry but you don't actually correct me. This proves you don't know what you're talking about
Kate xx
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
You constantly point to this quirk of living things to suggest the need for a designer. The evidence shows that unguided evolution accounts for it.-cofty
Yes I do, because its personal to me and I love Chemistry. As soon as chemistry proves otherwise I will change my views. I actually disagree and feel the evidence shows guided evolution.
I do however agree with you about other aspects of God. But I think a healthy balanced discussion is what we need on this board for all new comers for them to form their own views.
To be brutally honest I am probably in the camp of I don't know and I can't prove it, but leaning towards there is probably a creator. So I am not rigid in my views. But are you rigid in your views cofty?
Kate xx
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
You think you know better and that the real answer is "magic". OK-cofty
LOL hahhaha Are you just baiting me young man???? I don't call it magic ok??
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
Thank you cofty for the paper
I have read it before and don't grasp where your proof is. This is the conclusion
CONCLUSION Asymmetric autocatalysis with amplification of enantiomeric excess in the Soai reaction is an area under study and development. The kinetic studies of Blackmond and coworkers have provided insight into the mechanism of the Soai reaction. However, a complete mechanism for the Soai reaction is rate = k[3][3][5]active (3) rate = k[7][7][5]active (4) N N H O N N H O Zn(iPr)2 (iPr)2Zn 3 7 4 Scheme 3. Aldehyde-Zinc Complex and Blackmond's Revised Model 8 going to require a description of how the chiral information passes through the autocatalytic cycle. The full elucidation of the mechanism of the Soai reaction should pose a very interesting area of future research for organic chemists and allow extension and rational development of this very promising area.
After reading this this what I draw from it is that we have an understanding of why homochirality exists in nature. Why does it prove to you there is no God?
Kate xx
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
How one type of enantiomers came to dominate life was succinctly resolved by Saoi.-cofty
Why do you use the term resolved? I would say he discovered what was already happening in nature. Why does this prove there is no God to you personally cofty.......I am interested genuinely?
Kate xx
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
It's been proven time and time again that you've no idea what you're talking about.-Viv
What have I said that is incorrect chemistry, you the one who doesn't understand what I am talking about as you don't enter into a chemical conversation with me.
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
Clearly state your position that you think is correct-Viv
I will repeat for you Viv.
Normally when talking in layman's terms we would describe enantionmers as being the same molecule but a mirror image just like a left and right hand. Using lego can slightly distract from the fact that they are in fact the same molecule.
They have all the same properties and when formed in the lab the left and right hand form a racemic mixture which is 50% of each enantiomer or stereo isomer. Soai did not show that in nature there is a racemic mixture. This is an incorrect statement you made cofty. Sorry.
Soai showed that an auto catalyst was involved in order for a majority of left handed molecules only were formed in nature. This is not like throwing heads five time in a row, it's like throwing heads a million times in a row. The L-enantiomer in nature is not a slight surplus it's a huge majority. This is called a homochiral mixture.
Cofty said all this means there is no magic involved. This statement is strawman and has no substance. Cofty said he can prove God does not exist. How has he proved proved this to me?
I am not saying it's magic, I am saying an auto catalyst is evidence of guidance.
Nobody has proven my chemistry is wrong. Where is the evidence Viv?
Kate xx
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
It's been proved, just not to you because you've not bothered to learn enough to understand the evidence. The problem is not lack of proof presented to you, it's lack of effort to understand it on your part.-Viv
Actually it's you who has not bothered to learn enough about chemistry and homochirality in nature to understand the evidence. Nobody has shown me where I have made an error. I welcome anyone who understands chemistry to show me my mistake
Kate xx
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
Kate you have totally misrepresented the facts.- cofty
No I haven't my facts are correct all you have to do is google enantiomers. My chemistry is correct cofty. You say you have proof God does not exist and all you can say is that I have misrepresented the facts.
You are talking nonsense cofty and you know it. I am openminded about your premise, but you are not giving me anything verifiable. You are just saying you think I am wrong.
I am a chemical analyst and I have other chemical analysts on this board that can back me up about homochirality and racemic mixtures. But anyone seeing our exchange can google the information if they like and confirm I did not misrepresent the facts.
I am challenging you cofty to prove to me where I am wrong and you are right. I don't want to be wrong any longer than I need to be. Show me proof if you have it.
Kate xx
