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  Did you KNOW Ray and Cynthia or the legal copyright holder? Only a few maybe had limited contact.

  by blondie in

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  i have known all of them over the last 15 years, talked at length with them, and knew what their wishes were, the copyright holder and spouse spent even more time with them socially and helping them set up their arrangements for when ray and cynthia passed.

  i don't believe that anyone else on this board or others was a confidant.

  there is no need to prove it to anyone but the copyright office which is satisfied with this.

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  KateWild

  Good ideas Tal xx
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  Books I read when I deprogrammed

  by OrphanCrow in

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  blondie suggested someone start a thread with a list of books that are valuable to read when exiting the jws.. i will start.. i left the jws way back in the early 70s and didn't actually deprogram until into the 80s.. one of the first books i read was "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses" by gary and heather botting.

  canadian exjws from calagary.

  an excellent book and one that still resonates with young people today.

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  KateWild

  Lol Bonsai. I get your point too.

  When I was doubting around 2013 that's all that was recommended to me from various sources. It really made the penny drop and switch on a light in me.

  But I also want to support the CRH in anyway I can to get this out in the public domain as quickly as possible, as I understand that it went out of print because too many pirate copies were being downloaded.

  Kate xx
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  Books I read when I deprogrammed

  by OrphanCrow in

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  blondie suggested someone start a thread with a list of books that are valuable to read when exiting the jws.. i will start.. i left the jws way back in the early 70s and didn't actually deprogram until into the 80s.. one of the first books i read was "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses" by gary and heather botting.

  canadian exjws from calagary.

  an excellent book and one that still resonates with young people today.

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  KateWild

  My point is that my personal " crisis" involved more than the organisation being wrong,- Rebel

  Yes I see your point. Very good. For many though it is about the organisation being false and finding out what exists behind the curtain. As an exjw, I am trying to expose WT as a harmful cult. This is the first step for some, examining if God exists is the next step for many.

  I totally respect your point though. We are all different in the way we wake up. It depends what kind of a JW we were also.

  Kate xx
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  Did you KNOW Ray and Cynthia or the legal copyright holder? Only a few maybe had limited contact.

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have known all of them over the last 15 years, talked at length with them, and knew what their wishes were, the copyright holder and spouse spent even more time with them socially and helping them set up their arrangements for when ray and cynthia passed.

  i don't believe that anyone else on this board or others was a confidant.

  there is no need to prove it to anyone but the copyright office which is satisfied with this.

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  KateWild

  Many libraries have Crisis of Conscience - or can secure it through interloan services.-Steve2

  I went to four of my local libraries none of them had it and they couldn't order it in

  Kate xx
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  Books I read when I deprogrammed

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  blondie suggested someone start a thread with a list of books that are valuable to read when exiting the jws.. i will start.. i left the jws way back in the early 70s and didn't actually deprogram until into the 80s.. one of the first books i read was "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses" by gary and heather botting.

  canadian exjws from calagary.

  an excellent book and one that still resonates with young people today.

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  KateWild

  I did not find any other books helpful to me waking up. I found that JWfacts and jwsurvey really helped me and Paul Grundy refers to the GB being led by Holy spirit and that they actually vote by by a 2/3 majority and he quotes a passage from CoC.

  This point exposes the GB and that's what we have to do to wake people up properly otherwise they can leave and have some residual beliefs about the GB and holy spirit that are still harmful.

  Having an ex member that was on the GB is a great resource. Do any of these other book offer such valuable information?

  Kate xx
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  A conversation with my dad

  by magotan in

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  2. experiences

  i talked to my dad today, after i text him when i was angry after a night out.

  i'm starting to get closure on my parents relationship with regards to me.the dynamic between them versus me is abusive.

  my dad didn't think i had any reason to be bitter.he said i chose to leave "jehovahs people" and this is what i should expect as treatment.

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  KateWild

  I am so sorry you are being shunned because you're gay. For three years to be alone from 19-22 is so wrong. You should have family support at this age and help making life decisions.

  I hope your dad continues to contact you and perhaps he may even change and welcome you properly

  Kate xx
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  Did you KNOW Ray and Cynthia or the legal copyright holder? Only a few maybe had limited contact.

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have known all of them over the last 15 years, talked at length with them, and knew what their wishes were, the copyright holder and spouse spent even more time with them socially and helping them set up their arrangements for when ray and cynthia passed.

  i don't believe that anyone else on this board or others was a confidant.

  there is no need to prove it to anyone but the copyright office which is satisfied with this.

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  KateWild

  
  

  
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeRnVdr6NbQ
  

  This is what is available on the internet today. Ebay says it's out of print

  So what are genuinely doubting JWs going to do?

  I read it on the internet in PDF form but I didn't download it or pass it on to anyone. I have a copy now because I think I can help people and That's all I want to do is expose the GB. I will gladly give the CPH £10 for this copy I have. I paid £10 for Steve Hassan's book CCMC and £8.99 for Ben Goldacre's Bad Science (an expose on how the media misinforms people about scientific statistics). I didn't choose to read pirate PDF copies. I bought what was in supply.

  My point is there is a demand for COC and it's out of print. People will get it as there is still a supply. When I read it I didn't even realise I was reading a pirate copy it was what was supplied to me. Where there is a demand there will be a supply.

  I can understand your point Simon that if no one ever read any pirate copies it would have never gone out of print. That is what I have just grasped from all these threads. So I am happy to pay the CPH for my electronic copy of the PDF.

  Kate xx
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  The Demons were messing with me last night!

  by olongapo joe in

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  so said my pops one morning.

  we were visiting my sister in eastern tennessee and the night before after everyone else went to bed pops was watching tv when all of a sudden and completely on it's own the tv changed to the tonight show, holy smokes!!

  must be demons cause pops didn't change it!

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  KateWild

  I like that story. I think that many who don't wake up and leave are still scared of demons and believe in the paranormal.

  Kate xx
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  Who can you trust to admit you have doubts?

  by MrMonroe in

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  2. beliefs

  (that is, doubts).

  in margaret atwood's "the handmaid's tale", a futuristic story of life inside a repressive, abusive big brother-style society tightly controlled by religious fundamentalists, there's a passage in which the protagonist is alone with another woman at a state-controlled centre where prayers are generated -- then printed out and read out -- by a machine.

  the other woman asks, in barely more than a whisper, "do you think god listens to these machines?

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  KateWild

  Well you obviously told your wife and she agreed, some JWs can't even tell their spouses or family members. It depends on your personal experiences within your cong and if they have also been treated unjustly.

  Kate xx
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  Evolution a Fact - Agreed but So What?

  by LAWHFol in

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  in many debates between believers and non believers (nb), the nb uses evolution as some sort of proof to support the non existence of god.. i agree that evolution is a fact, however i feel that evolution is proof of some sort of benevolent original cause.. if i were to create an a.i.

  , i would program into it the ability to self-refactor and evolve.. i would also randomly inject viruses into the program (evil) where the a.i.

  would be forced to stretch its current capabilities & modify it's operating functions in order to get through the random virus, and continue living.. with a steady flow of different viruses, the a.i.

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  KateWild

  The fact that those speaking on evolution tend to also be atheists doesn't mean they are attacking your god when laying out evolution facts. - fmf

  Lol this is hilarious, Dawkins is well known as a fundie that attacks God. He wrote a book called "The God Delusion" he is an evolutionary biologist saying that anyone who believes in God is delusional.

  FMF you crease me up hahahahhahahaha!!!!!! You're talking utter nonsense

  Love you though

  Kate xx