Posts by KateWild

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Well, I've done it..........

by wannaexit in

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i have successfully deprogrammed my first dub.. my very good friend has finally seen the light.

i am so happy that the shackles have come off.

she is in the process of reading coc and has stopped going to meetings.. i have made my first apostate disciple.. wannaexit

KateWild

Wannexit,

Thank you so much for telling us this news. It's great that she is totally awake and she is also reading CoC this will keep her from doubting anything and help her to remain out.

Well done

Kate xx

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Hello everyone. New here looking for info and friends

by Harvard Illiterate 411 in

i sometimes was redirected to this page from reddit or another ex-jw site but never bothered to sign up.

i wanted to stay off the radar but since i'm getting dis-fellowshipped anyways and have no plans to come back what the hell.

been 22 years in the truth........... ahhhh i hate to use that expression...... bad habit but you know what i mean.

KateWild

Welcome to the board Harvard,

You have done well to escape. Drinking excessively and smoking may have helped you to lose weight, but is it really making you healthier?

I understand why you want to enjoy some vices, but be careful. We are only saying these things because we care about your future.

Take care

Kate xx

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Would you ever......?

by ctrwtf in

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list as an accomplishment on a resume, "i escaped from a mind control doomsday cult?".

sometimes when i reflect on it, the magnitude of this accomplishment amazes me..

KateWild

Well I pioneered for four years and gave up my career as a chemical analyst for the GB.

So when I left I put on my CV I was a bible teacher to help me get the voluntary job I have now.

Employers don't like to see gaps in your CV. They also like to know reason for leaving previous job. So I have put it all.

Kate xx

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Why I'm not agnostic

by Coded Logic in

i think the time to be agnostic is when you have evidence on both sides of a claim.

for example, i'm agnostic about the existence of a historical jesus.

i think a reasonable case can be made that jesus was a man who was turned into a legend over a period of a couple of decades.

KateWild

Here we go again with the bucket chemistry comment lol xx

Cofty,

I really do understand your perspective but you fail to understand mine. The difference between an autocatalyst and a catalyst is that the catalyst is a chemical used to speed up or guide the reaction and does not get used up in the reaction and does not change it's molecular configuration. An auotocatalyst is a molecule that is part of the reaction and steers the reaction to produce the end products.

You say that because these are naturally occurring this is evidence of no guidance, because it happened spontaneously when amino acids evolved. This is a valid perspective. You have done the research and drawn this conclusion and you strive to think for yourself.

I have a different perspective, I read papers with diagrams of the chemical reactions that Soai did. It is very interesting and I am grateful that you and cantleave (Angus) informed me of these experiments. But what I see is intervention when looking at the diagrams. The autocatalysis that occurs is for samantics sake spontaneous, but this reinforces my theory that the reaction is guided. The following paper has the diagrams to show that the the reaction from raw material to product is guided in a particular direction.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ar5003208

Scheme 3 is simply a discovery of what occurs in nature without the intervention of a chiral substance, and then the further reaction of the autocatalysis.

This is evidence to me that in nature the chemical reaction is guided. But it's proof to you it happened without intervention. Just different perspectives.

Kate xx

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Why I'm not agnostic

by Coded Logic in

i think the time to be agnostic is when you have evidence on both sides of a claim.

for example, i'm agnostic about the existence of a historical jesus.

i think a reasonable case can be made that jesus was a man who was turned into a legend over a period of a couple of decades.

KateWild

Codedlogic,

You are wrong about what the article shows. It does not state the organic molecule forming a homochiral solution without a catalyst. You misunderstood it as you are seeing only what you want to see to prove your own confirmation bias.

Now unless you're also a chemical analyst which I doubt, this paper shows clearly what I already know about the formation of amino acids in nature.

The article is clear about asymmetric reactions. All unguided attempts will always form a racemic mixture in the lab. That is a fact. It's science. It's chemistry. It's why the mistake of thalidomide happened and scientists have learned from their mistakes. This is one if the pharmaceuticals the article is referring to.

Your elephant pictures are great but you're changing the subject. I don't think you have read the article properly or understood all the chemistry in it.

Kate xx

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Why I'm not agnostic

by Coded Logic in

i think the time to be agnostic is when you have evidence on both sides of a claim.

for example, i'm agnostic about the existence of a historical jesus.

i think a reasonable case can be made that jesus was a man who was turned into a legend over a period of a couple of decades.

KateWild

Landy,

I understand the point you are making and the article cofty has posted is a scientific advance that is evidence for my theory.

But if the opposite existed I would change my view.

How about you Landy, could you apply that to yourself? Cofty is providing scientific research that shows the process of evolution at an amino acid level was probably a guided process.

Have you read it and do you accept it?

Kate xx

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Why I'm not agnostic

by Coded Logic in

i think the time to be agnostic is when you have evidence on both sides of a claim.

for example, i'm agnostic about the existence of a historical jesus.

i think a reasonable case can be made that jesus was a man who was turned into a legend over a period of a couple of decades.

KateWild

Landy,

Scientific advancement calls it autocatysts in nature and catalysts in the lab.

This is all evidence of a guided process for me....perhaps not for everyone...but it is satisfactory.

Kate xx

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Why I'm not agnostic

by Coded Logic in

i think the time to be agnostic is when you have evidence on both sides of a claim.

for example, i'm agnostic about the existence of a historical jesus.

i think a reasonable case can be made that jesus was a man who was turned into a legend over a period of a couple of decades.

KateWild

Today, chemists regularly make catalysts that will steer a reaction towards products in one particular left or right form. Known as asymmetric reactions

Cofty, codedlogic. This passage comes from the article and is totally supporting my point.

To steer a reaction is exactly the same as to guide. Don't even try to convince me otherwise.

Kate xx

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Why I'm not agnostic

by Coded Logic in

i think the time to be agnostic is when you have evidence on both sides of a claim.

for example, i'm agnostic about the existence of a historical jesus.

i think a reasonable case can be made that jesus was a man who was turned into a legend over a period of a couple of decades.

KateWild

Codedlogic,

My post to cofty 5 mins ago answers you exact questions.

It's about needing to use catalysts that makes it guided.

Kate xx

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Why I'm not agnostic

by Coded Logic in

i think the time to be agnostic is when you have evidence on both sides of a claim.

for example, i'm agnostic about the existence of a historical jesus.

i think a reasonable case can be made that jesus was a man who was turned into a legend over a period of a couple of decades.

KateWild

Landy,

Thanks for being honest. But scientific advancement is sure of the process. We are just free to conclude our own ideas from this advancement, about what is more probable.

Kate xx