in response to the 37 threads in my evolution is a fact series - see bottom of op for links - perry posted a link to an article "44 reasons why evolution isn't true".. i offered him a challenge on the thread and by pm.
predictably he is totally ignoring it, so i am offering the challenge to any evolution-denier who thinks they have evidence to support their position.. please present one specific piece of evidence for creationism.. my task will be to refute it with evidence within 24 hours.. then i will present one piece of evidence for evolution and your challenge will be the same.. all posts must be as succinct as reasonably possible.
entirely in your own words, without copy-paste, videos or links.. please post your interest to take part and we will set it up before the first actual post in the exchange.
Are evolution and creation mutually exclusive?
No they are not to many people. But Cofty likes definitive solutions to questions.
I believe that a creator guided certain parts of the evolutionary process.
Cofty hasn't been able to refute my points with science and just uses phrases like 'it's bucket chemistry' there is no definitive answer and I am ok with that.
so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.
anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.
and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?
I am finally up to date with your story. Sorry things haven't gone so well.
I went to my last JC as I was prepared about what I wanted to say and recorded it. It was cathartic for me.
But if you feel uncomfortable and it's an invasion just ignore all their demands......they have no power over you.
Hopefully your mum will always stay in touch.
Kate xx
hi everyone, a bit of an update here on my continuing disaster of a situation.. (refer to my previous posts for the full story) my mom met with me yesterday for dinner, it was nice.. however, she brought up the fact that because i live with my boyfriend and how everything has gone down, i will be disfellowshipped.. i think the elders basically have enough proof of this.. due to the anonymous tipper (still have no clue who it was, i live in another town 100's of miles away from my old congregation territory), and my mom telling them.
i'm not sure when they will announce it, or if they will contact me prior.. at this point i feel so emotionally dead i don't care- on the other hand, i don't want to be disfellowshipped because i do not want to loose a relationship with my mom.
that is the whole reason i tried fading out.. .
Hey Raven, this all happened very quickly indeed. I am so sorry you might lose your mum.
I got df'd and my daughter thought it was unjust....so carried on her relationship with me even though she lived in a different city.
Eventually we both woke up because of the shunning rules.
All the best
Kate xx
hi friends,it has been 20 years that i've slaved for the wt and through out the past couple of years i could feel myself fighting an urge to accept that something was not right.
i fought it off for so long only for it to resurface frequently throughout my years of pioneering, assembly/convention parts, & speaking with people about the "truth", slaving and giving to try to be a "spiritual person" but in reality i was not spiritual because spirituality (according to the org) is doing all of the things they want you to do.
which then will label you as spiritual... no !!!
Hi Raven,
This thread is very good it shows the thought process many go through while having doubts and slowly waking up.
Kate xx
one year ago today my mom passed away.
she was 91 years old.
it has been really hard on me because i never expected what happened, to.have happened.
Hey Sherry,
Sorry you are feeling so emotional today and had such a terrible time with your mum in her last days.
But vent away here. You have supported me loads in tines of need and I am here for you too.
Alzheimers is a really terrible disease and is so hard to struggle through.
Sorry for your tough times
Kate xx
attending my boys parents evening it was mentiond they were to study the " diary of anne frank".
( he is 10 years old) i pointed out to the teacher that having read the book, in my option the book was not written entirely by anne frank, and i would educate my boy on why i believe this to be so.. in my mind this was a totally reasonable responce by me, but it has resulted in the head-master of the school wanting to meet with me.
i think it wrong that an educational system will i suspect meet with me and presumably suggest my options on the " anne frank diary" constitute hate speech, as nothing could be further from the truth.. freedom of speech is never absolute, but at what point do you think it reasonable and justified?
As the thread has progressed I think I have lost the point of it.
People did hide Jews from the Nazis all over Europe......and every story that has been told has been critiqued. But the truth of the matter is that it happened and many non Jews disagreed with Hitler.
Kate xx
the gibbering buddies are guided by jeehipity-hop!
how can i say this with 100% confidence?
well, an emotionally unstable eldub was talking about "mobile devices.
Good thread DD, you make me laugh.
Kate xx
i'm new here and haven't introduced myself yet, but have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and learned so much!
quick first question: if i get disfellowshipped for researching info on websites other than jw.org (the official website), how can i expect to be treated by my husband still in the truth?
ie what will he be told by the elders about how to treat me?
Welcome to the board,
Well done for starting a thread. Hopefully your mind has been set to rest and you don't feel stressed any more. what you need to do now is make a plan for the future and how you're going to proceed. Think about what is best for you and your husband.
You need to have a plan though, as at the moment you're just in limbo.
Kate xx
attending my boys parents evening it was mentiond they were to study the " diary of anne frank".
( he is 10 years old) i pointed out to the teacher that having read the book, in my option the book was not written entirely by anne frank, and i would educate my boy on why i believe this to be so.. in my mind this was a totally reasonable responce by me, but it has resulted in the head-master of the school wanting to meet with me.
i think it wrong that an educational system will i suspect meet with me and presumably suggest my options on the " anne frank diary" constitute hate speech, as nothing could be further from the truth.. freedom of speech is never absolute, but at what point do you think it reasonable and justified?
I have read that Otto Frank, her father edited the diary and added to it after Anne's death in 1944.
I was not taught this at school and think it's important that when reading it people know.
Whether or not it's true is another matter, but the fact that there is speculation about it is relevant.
Kate xx
i was reading in another forum, that a letter to the elders instructed them to speak to anybody who persists in wearing tight pants.
if changes don't happen then the instructions are to disqualify him from being a publisher but it won't be announced to the congregation.
i am am curious to see if this letter will surface.
Lol hahaha......the rules are really getting stupid now.
Jwfacts thanks for the letter.
Kate xx
