As for your O.P " I conclude evolution is guided" the comments were beyond me, so I must answer. Who knows? Certainly not me? But I think the O.P will educate me with the answers. Thanks for that. - Rebel
Lol very good answer thank you
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
As for your O.P " I conclude evolution is guided" the comments were beyond me, so I must answer. Who knows? Certainly not me? But I think the O.P will educate me with the answers. Thanks for that. - Rebel
Lol very good answer thank you
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
No, you're right Kate, I'm not interested. I've only spent the vast majority of my life embedded in a cult that has reinforced a dogmatic view of the world, discouraged knowledge and education and now that I have mentally freed myself from these shackles all I am interested in doing is remaining comfortable in my ignorance.
You are infuriating sometimes-K99
Lol I am sorry for making wrong assumptions. You are genuine. I see that xx.
If I understand what you have written correctly then in nature only the L/H molecule is produced by autocatalysis. How does the R/H molecule get formed then? What's the catalyst? - K99
Your question is very good, and clearly highlights how bad I am at explaining things at a layman's level, but it's good I can improve my skills.`
Enantiomers are stereo isomers that exist as molecules in chemicals and in nature. All matter is made up of chemical elements and molecules. All living things in nature have only the left handed molecule, all inanimate things have a racemic mixture. So the right handed molecule exists as part of the object just as much as the left handed molecule. But in the formation of amino acids only the left handed molecule is formed.
Normally to speed up or guide a reaction a chemical is used to do this that does not get used up in the chemical reaction, but in the case of autocatalysis the conditions produce the formation of only left handed molecules.There is no chemical that acts as a catalyst.
So what is your conclusion?
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
Your qualifications are way above mine so I'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity. - K99`
K99, I am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions. But here goes anyway.`
In nature amino acids formed to then form DNA. These amino acids contain homochiral molecules, that are also called enantiomers. These enantiomers exist as mirror images e.g,
But in nature when amino acids and DNA are formed autocatalysis guides the formation of only the left handed molecule and always the left handed molecule. In the lab when synthesising this specific molecule a racemic mixture is produced unless the chemist produces the conditions for autocatalysis to occur. A racemic mixture is a 50/50 solution of both enantiomers.
In chemical reactions catalysts are used to guide or speed up the reaction. Autocatalysis means that the reaction is being guided automatically.
I draw the conclusion that a Creator could be responsible for guiding the process, others may feel this is evidence of evolution without external guidance.
What do you think?
hey all, .
so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.
some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.
You already know that you are being dishonest. I have explained the answer to your question about homochirality in considerable detail more than once and referred you to the work of a Japanese scientist who solved the puzzle. It is a common tactic of creationists to ignore an answer, wait a few weeks and then post the same objection as if it had not been answered. - Cofty
I know in my heart I am not being dishonest. I am a very honest person with integrity. Your argument is not conclusive or satisfying. Just because you are happy with your conclusions doesn't mean we all are. I don't consider myself a creationist either. I am not ignoring your answer just saying you're wrong in your perception of an autocatalyst. But the point is we are at a stalemate situation and I agree there are different interpretations of the scientific facts and there is no definite conclusion either way.`
This is the post from this thread https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5098445605961728/challenge-creationists. Your evidence is not conclusive and you cannot answer my questions.`
K99, my chemistry knowledge convinces me that the process of evolution is guided. Let's not derail this thread though. I will start a new thread.`
Kate xx
hey all, .
so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.
some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.
Cofty, I have been searching for the post because I knew you would ask. But sadly I can't find it. The point is I know I am honest. Your allegations are unsubstantiated, and I feel attacked by you now, just because I disagree with you it doesn't mean I am dishonest.
Kate xx
hey all, .
so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.
some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.
cofty, you have personally attacked me by calling me dishonest when your claims of this were unsubstantiated. You refuse to accept we have different conclusions. Attacking people is subjective. If someone feels attacked by you. You attacked them. The rest is semantics.`
Kate - If you can't tell the difference between a personal attack and criticism of ideas then how can I explain it to you? I have never attacked you or any other believer. Why would I? I have evidence on my side.`
Cofty, You have avoided the point. Did you call me dishonest? Is it substantiated? Making unsubstantiated allegations is attacking someone. My view of attacking people is different from yours. Your evidence does not back up your conclusions my evidence backs up my conclusions. You have not been able to refute my evidence.
Kate xx
hey all, .
so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.
some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.
DJS,
No she is not. She said she respects why some atheists don't believe in a god. She has shown understanding for their perspectives.
Kate xx
hey all, .
so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.
some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.
DJS,
Easy there! We have never agreed about God. But you have always been supportive to me personally.
I don't think Sevan is trying to convert you.
Kate xx
hey all, .
so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.
some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.
Sevan,
I also studied Chemistry at university and am a qualified chemical analyst.
I also believe in a creator. I have found support on this site from both believers and atheists.
cofty, you have personally attacked me by calling me dishonest when your claims of this were unsubstantiated. You refuse to accept we have different conclusions. Attacking people is subjective. If someone feels attacked by you. You attacked them. The rest is semantics.
Kate xx
i was a 4th gen born in.my adult children were the 5th.
my mother was one of the newly'anointed' we have all left.
i have been lurking since october.i was really too terrified someone would find out who i was and what would happen.well we are out now so here is a part of my story.
Notalone, thank you for your story and welcome to the site.
I am deeply sorry for your experience. But I am overjoyed your whole family left with you.
Kate xx