Posts by KateWild

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Autocatalysis means that the reaction is being guided automatically. - Kate

No it doesn't...why do you suggest that? - Notsure

Apologies it's my definition, you're right. The actual definition is the catalysis of a reaction by one of it's products. Catalysis is to speed up the reaction.

I have read your link, I am not sure what specifically you wanted to point out to me, but personally I don't like bias science. I don't feel creationist scientists, or evolutionist scientists are credible. Science is impartial. science does not try and prove the existence or absence of a creator. Experiments and their results are factual. And people are free to draw their own conclusions.

Quote me the specific part you wanted me to know.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

My point is that if we naively imagine different cells where one cell produce 100% left-handed molecules, another produce 90% left handed and so on then the cells that produced predominantly left-handed amino acids would have a benefit over the others and, accordingly, evolution would select for them. In other words this seems like a straight-forward problem to explain with natural selection. - Bhom

I see your point. It's more biology based as you mention cells, but understand that you conclude this is evidence for natural selection.

For this to be a real challenge for evolution, I suppose one would have to argue that machinery that only produced molecules of one particular symmetry could not have evolved for some specific reason; but I haven't seen such an argument. - Bhom

Yes I see your point. I am not challenging evolution, I have concluded that evolution is guided. I see that molecules formed of a specific symmetry because they were guided by autocatalysis. You may disagree.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

I know you'll probably not like this question but I feel I should ask it - what class BSc did you get? First? Upper Second Class? Just scraped a Third? etc ...

I studied my BSc at university for two years and did a sandwich placement. Then I got a career without completing my dissertation in my final year. I think I am qualified as having an HND or level 2 BSc degree. They are both equivalent. I was on target for getting a 2.1 not a First by any means. It was a means to an end, and I got a job.

What do you think? - first, I am as sure as it is possible to be that evolution happened. I don't know whether God guided this process or not.
Why? Well, because I don't know about the existence of God. There are no data - repeat, no data - for God's existence. There are data for my existence - fingerprints, dental records, birth certificate, passport photo, NI number, etc - but none for God. - LUHE

You make a good conclusion. You have a good point.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

As for your O.P " I conclude evolution is guided" the comments were beyond me, so I must answer. Who knows? Certainly not me? But I think the O.P will educate me with the answers. Thanks for that. - Rebel

Lol very good answer thank you

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

No, you're right Kate, I'm not interested. I've only spent the vast majority of my life embedded in a cult that has reinforced a dogmatic view of the world, discouraged knowledge and education and now that I have mentally freed myself from these shackles all I am interested in doing is remaining comfortable in my ignorance.
You are infuriating sometimes-K99

Lol I am sorry for making wrong assumptions. You are genuine. I see that xx.

If I understand what you have written correctly then in nature only the L/H molecule is produced by autocatalysis. How does the R/H molecule get formed then? What's the catalyst? - K99

Your question is very good, and clearly highlights how bad I am at explaining things at a layman's level, but it's good I can improve my skills.`

Enantiomers are stereo isomers that exist as molecules in chemicals and in nature. All matter is made up of chemical elements and molecules. All living things in nature have only the left handed molecule, all inanimate things have a racemic mixture. So the right handed molecule exists as part of the object just as much as the left handed molecule. But in the formation of amino acids only the left handed molecule is formed.

Normally to speed up or guide a reaction a chemical is used to do this that does not get used up in the chemical reaction, but in the case of autocatalysis the conditions produce the formation of only left handed molecules.There is no chemical that acts as a catalyst.

So what is your conclusion?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Your qualifications are way above mine so I'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity. - K99`

K99, I am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions. But here goes anyway.`

In nature amino acids formed to then form DNA. These amino acids contain homochiral molecules, that are also called enantiomers. These enantiomers exist as mirror images e.g,

Image result for enantiomers definition

But in nature when amino acids and DNA are formed autocatalysis guides the formation of only the left handed molecule and always the left handed molecule. In the lab when synthesising this specific molecule a racemic mixture is produced unless the chemist produces the conditions for autocatalysis to occur. A racemic mixture is a 50/50 solution of both enantiomers.

In chemical reactions catalysts are used to guide or speed up the reaction. Autocatalysis means that the reaction is being guided automatically.

I draw the conclusion that a Creator could be responsible for guiding the process, others may feel this is evidence of evolution without external guidance.

What do you think?

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Seeking support ... Where can a Christian go

by Sevan in

jw
friends

hey all, .

so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.

some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.

KateWild

You already know that you are being dishonest. I have explained the answer to your question about homochirality in considerable detail more than once and referred you to the work of a Japanese scientist who solved the puzzle. It is a common tactic of creationists to ignore an answer, wait a few weeks and then post the same objection as if it had not been answered. - Cofty

I know in my heart I am not being dishonest. I am a very honest person with integrity. Your argument is not conclusive or satisfying. Just because you are happy with your conclusions doesn't mean we all are. I don't consider myself a creationist either. I am not ignoring your answer just saying you're wrong in your perception of an autocatalyst. But the point is we are at a stalemate situation and I agree there are different interpretations of the scientific facts and there is no definite conclusion either way.`

This is the post from this thread https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5098445605961728/challenge-creationists. Your evidence is not conclusive and you cannot answer my questions.`

K99, my chemistry knowledge convinces me that the process of evolution is guided. Let's not derail this thread though. I will start a new thread.`

Kate xx

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Seeking support ... Where can a Christian go

by Sevan in

jw
friends

hey all, .

so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.

some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.

KateWild

Cofty, I have been searching for the post because I knew you would ask. But sadly I can't find it. The point is I know I am honest. Your allegations are unsubstantiated, and I feel attacked by you now, just because I disagree with you it doesn't mean I am dishonest.

Kate xx

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Seeking support ... Where can a Christian go

by Sevan in

jw
friends

hey all, .

so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.

some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.

KateWild

cofty, you have personally attacked me by calling me dishonest when your claims of this were unsubstantiated. You refuse to accept we have different conclusions. Attacking people is subjective. If someone feels attacked by you. You attacked them. The rest is semantics.`

Kate - If you can't tell the difference between a personal attack and criticism of ideas then how can I explain it to you? I have never attacked you or any other believer. Why would I? I have evidence on my side.`

Cofty, You have avoided the point. Did you call me dishonest? Is it substantiated? Making unsubstantiated allegations is attacking someone. My view of attacking people is different from yours. Your evidence does not back up your conclusions my evidence backs up my conclusions. You have not been able to refute my evidence.

Kate xx

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Seeking support ... Where can a Christian go

by Sevan in

jw
friends

hey all, .

so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.

some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.

KateWild

DJS,

No she is not. She said she respects why some atheists don't believe in a god. She has shown understanding for their perspectives.

Kate xx