Posts by KateWild

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

But for believers in God, well I mean, did God guide this? Did he mean it so that most species go extinct? So that most individuals die before their natural lifespan ends? - LUHE

I don't know what God meant to do or why. He has never told me anything. I don't think he really gives a shit about anyone or anything. It's like when I built a sandcastle, it was fun and educational, but when it was finished I didn't give a thought about it's feelings and whether or not it would be washed away by the sea. I was thoughtless about my creation.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

So why the need to attribute it to a deity? - K99

It's not a necessity for me. It's just my conclusion.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

You can't isolate this one point, which i still don't see how you come to the conclusion you arrive at, and say it means there is a diety WHEN you factor in all other evidences for a god or evolution...because evolution wins hands down every time when you base it on facts...the facts lean heavily towards there was no divine intervention from anything to get to where we are...- Notsure

The reason you don't see how I come to my conclusion is that you have drawn your own conclusions that you are happy with and you feel they are absolute. You have misunderstood me and my title also. You state we have to factor in evidence for god or evolution. They are not mutually exclusive. My title is "I conclude evolution is guided" I know evolution is a fact and I don't dispute it at all.

But if you don't think my conclusion is valid, that's okay. It's only my conclusion so far.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Maybe a "creator" created the first DNA molecule, but certainly hasn't controlled the process since. - shepherdless

This is a good point too. And I do agree with it. It's a bit like JWR, someone created the site, someone else took it over, then it was shut down. Some creator's are guilty of not maintaining their creation. Not Simon though, he maintains his creation well.

LUHE, Sorry I missed your question twice. Apologies. In my view I think anyone who creates anything does it for the purpose of fun, investigation and learning. Do you agree?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

One idea is that groups of molecules can form autocatalytic sets. These are self-sustaining chemical factories, in which the product of one reaction is the feedstock or catalyst for another. The result is a virtuous, self-contained cycle of chemical creation.

Which shows nothing is guided...they continue: - Notsure

Okay so you conclude that autocatalytic set evolved without guidance. Fair enough. I view this as guidance. The very premise of what catalysts do and their purpose leads me to this conclusion. But your conclusion is just as valid.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

So what you are really proposing is the argument of natural laws, i.e. the existence of laws (such as those guiding auto-catalysis and other chemistry) implies the existence of a creator? - Bhom

Well, not exactly. I just conclude that with my knowledge and understanding of chemistry, evolution is guided, and does the definition of natural mean "happened by chance" or "guided"?. Both are valid and possible. I think my conclusion is more probable, and you think yours is. Science will I am sure give us the facts in the near future.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Are you saying that something is guiding the chemical process so that only L/H molecules are formed in living things? Why can this not be natural selection? - K99

Good point, this is exactly what Bhom's conclusion is too. I think both perspectives are valid, but neither are absolute yet. In time science will have conclusive evidence, until then we can only draw conclusions from what we have.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Presumably, auto-catalysisis not violating any laws of nature? - bhom

Lol yes I see your point. I also see that having these laws of nature, is evidence of guidance. But I don't disagree I just have a different perspective.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Autocatalysis means that the reaction is being guided automatically. - Kate

No it doesn't...why do you suggest that? - Notsure

Apologies it's my definition, you're right. The actual definition is the catalysis of a reaction by one of it's products. Catalysis is to speed up the reaction.

I have read your link, I am not sure what specifically you wanted to point out to me, but personally I don't like bias science. I don't feel creationist scientists, or evolutionist scientists are credible. Science is impartial. science does not try and prove the existence or absence of a creator. Experiments and their results are factual. And people are free to draw their own conclusions.

Quote me the specific part you wanted me to know.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

My point is that if we naively imagine different cells where one cell produce 100% left-handed molecules, another produce 90% left handed and so on then the cells that produced predominantly left-handed amino acids would have a benefit over the others and, accordingly, evolution would select for them. In other words this seems like a straight-forward problem to explain with natural selection. - Bhom

I see your point. It's more biology based as you mention cells, but understand that you conclude this is evidence for natural selection.

For this to be a real challenge for evolution, I suppose one would have to argue that machinery that only produced molecules of one particular symmetry could not have evolved for some specific reason; but I haven't seen such an argument. - Bhom

Yes I see your point. I am not challenging evolution, I have concluded that evolution is guided. I see that molecules formed of a specific symmetry because they were guided by autocatalysis. You may disagree.