Posts by KateWild

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Interesting read here and support for my thesis re self organizing systems. Please tell me what you think Kate - but don't make it too complex as I am no chemist/biologist anything-Ruby

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2857173/

Where Do We Go from Here?
The pathway to life may be seen as a saga of increasing chemical and physical complexity (see, for example,Hazen 2010). The modern field of “systems chemistry” (von Kiedrowski 2005) seeks to understand the chemical roots of biological organization by studying the emergence of system properties that may be different from those showed individually by the components in isolation. The implications of the single chirality of biological molecules may be viewed in this context of complexity. Whether or not we will ever know how this property developed in the living systems represented on Earth today, studies of how single chirality might have emerged will aid us in understanding the much larger question of how life might have, and might again, emerge as a complex system.

Thanks for asking my advice about your thesis. Seeking the chemical roots of biological organization sounds very complex to me. I don't know anything about biological organisation. I didn't even know it was a subject of scientific learning. As far as chemical roots are concerned. All I really know is what I have learned in physical chemistry, inorganic chemistry, and organic chemistry. I would expect organic chemistry is the branch you would be best to learn from, but also physical chemistry is good too, as that concentrates on the make up of the atom and sub atomic particles, so the roots go back further.

I am no chemist or biologist either. I am a chemical analyst. May I ask why you are doing this thesis?

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god-of-the-gaps. Should we or shouldn't we fiil in the gaps with God?

by KateWild in

science imo does not have all the answers.

when i discover gaps in science, it's easy for me, as a temporary measure to fill in the gaps with god.

i do this until i have learnt something new.. what about you?

KateWild

Yes it was then Angus. I think I was less bias when I first left than I am now. You have always been a strong fundie for the Richard Dawkins club since I got here xx

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god-of-the-gaps. Should we or shouldn't we fiil in the gaps with God?

by KateWild in

science imo does not have all the answers.

when i discover gaps in science, it's easy for me, as a temporary measure to fill in the gaps with god.

i do this until i have learnt something new.. what about you?

KateWild

Looks like me and K99 had the same conversation, 3 years ago. K99 you were very clear on your position then.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Cool onegen you found that. Can you resurrect it for me please?

So three years ago my way of debating has slightly changed and my knowledge has increased. Instead of saying I believe in God of the gaps I apply Occam's Razor to explain that evolution is guided. It's more probable based on the scientific facts I have.

And some atheists also apply Occam's Razor too. We are both filling in gaps in science but with different explanations.

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If God is the Creator, who created God or how did he evolve?

by KateWild in

if god is the creator, who created god or how did he evolve?.

KateWild

Where does outer space start and begin? What is the origin of outer space? Did the big bang occur in outer space or did it create outer space?

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If God is the Creator, who created God or how did he evolve?

by KateWild in

if god is the creator, who created god or how did he evolve?.

KateWild

He started as one simple speghetti hoop which unlooped to form a string. This string then split multiple times to form HIS body.- cantleave

Well do you have any evidence to support your statement, like a peer reviewed science paper?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Why do you constantly presume to know what everyone else on the board is thinking, is motivated by and has an interest in? - K99

Opps sorry I didn't think it was constant. I am wrong though Ruby is interested too. She read the paper. But over the years when cofty has posted the link to the paper, no one else posted any chemistry in relation to it.

Have you read the links? Are you going to?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

I fail to see why such entity would merit our devotion, worship or service - Eden

Yes me too

In deed I could, but far more interesting is the defensive manner you exibited when you feared that others could challenge you to the point of contradiction. Your aversion to being challenged, or in this case feeling you were when you actually were not, has been quite fasinating to observe. - Giles

Well I took half an hour or more to explain in more detail why cofty's conclusion was flawed in my eyes and you haven't even read it Giles. But glad to see you're fascinated enough to quote mine other threads and post my comments out of context. It's nice that both me and cofty have our cheer leaders. At least with Ruby, she has researched Saoi's reaction, it doesn't matter if you don't though, you views are equally welcome.

So your false accusations of others obviously stem from some kind of angst you feel when faced with being contradicted. That's the part of this thread I have found most interesting. - Giles

Thank you for drawing your personal conclusions about me. I actually enjoy being challenged and enjoyed writing my post to explain in further detail why I draw the conclusion I have that you didn't bother to read. Glad you find it interesting.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

I do sometimes wonder if intelligent life "has always been" rather than coming from "nothing". Like K99 said - I work at being comfortable not knowing. - Freddo

Thanks for your post. Being comfortable not knowing is a good way to live. Having fun with family and building bonds in the community is more important than filling time try to get definitive answers. Is there really a need?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

His paper is the absolute refutation of Kate's point. He proved that the "left-handedness" of life arose as an inevitable result of autocatalysis. It is not a sign of guidance it is bucket chemistry. - cofty

Yes that was the reason he wrote his paper. It wasn't to discuss with other scientists and chemists how to utilise autocatalytic reactions to accomplish more efficient organic synthesis. I mean if he was writing a paper for that reason we could conclude formation of organic compounds in nature are far superior to what scientists are able to synthesise.

I will make this topic the subject of my next but one thread in my Evolution is a Fact series and explain it in more detail. -cofty

Yes you've been promising this for years, but still no sign. Only I am interested anyway cofty. Most of the posters here don't really want to know about autocatalysis and homichirality

So imo she does agree with Kenso Soai - at least she does not contradict him - Ruby

Well it's not about agreeing or disagreeing with Soai. He just presents results, and does not draw conclusions about whether or not evolution is guided. But his results do support my conclusions, or confirm my bias.

Simon and Cofty have made my points, but I'll just add that to start with a preconceived belief and then try (unsuccessfully) to twist existing facts and theories to match that belief is the most dishonest form of thinking and reasoning there is. - Landy

Yes I agree with Simon, don't think cofty made the point though. But Yes I freely admit I must have some bias, but we all have. Cofty is just as much confirming his bias and twisting facts as I am. Like his idea of the reason for Soai's paper. But I only think it's dishonest if you deny that you are bias, and insist you are impartial when you're constantly looking for evidence to support your conclusions. Confirming your bias isn't always unsuccessful if you are satisfied with your results.

Kenso Soai's greatest scientific achievement was to show that homochirality occurs naturally - no guidance required. - cofty

Oh right my mistake, so it wasn't to discuss with other scientists and chemists how to utilise autocatalytic reactions to accomplish more efficient organic synthesis. You see cofty said it on the internet so it must be true