Posts by KateWild

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A Flashback

by Gwydion in

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i feel like a vietnam vet from the movies.

i am safely sitting at a computer and i flip to the sports headlines to see what they have to say about the stanley cup finals and there it is......in big bold letters it says eyes on the prize.

the sound of the kingdom melody sung loudly and terribly off key ring in my head and it won't stop!!!

Our Humble Origins

by Coded Logic in

wow, this just blew my mind.

it's an issue i've had with the claims people make about our supposed divine genesis but don't think i've ever seen anyone so precisely hit the nail on the head.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdumiut9m3m.

KateWild

Your one in the OP is quite good, but it's not as funny as this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-zi25GgVE

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

actually theists have a range of ways of conceiving of how God guides evolution - you are describing a fairly narrow way of how he does so. Deists for example have a different view from pantheist Christians. - Ruby

This is a really good point to highlight we are all individuals. The way we accepted WT was different for all of us the way we woke up was too, and the way we come to conclusions that evolution is guided is different for all of us that have come to this conclusion. It's personal for us.

Also the reasons why people are atheist are different for everyone. some people are atheist because of suffering and others are because of scientific fact, and some are because of both, some are atheist because they see no evidence of God.

Good point Ruby

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Our conclusions should follow the evidence. Not try and lead the evidence - Codedlogic

Yes I absolutely agree. That's what I do. Do you think Cofty is trying to lead the evidence by making this unsubstantiated claim? I don't but what do you think?

Kenso Soai (21 years ago) - Look I have shown how replicating stuff can end up all left-handed. We can now explain exactly how that happens naturally. - cofty

Soai nowhere is his paper drew this conclusion in these words. But cofty is not bias, he just has a position, and cofty is not twisting facts to lead the evidence. He said he doesn't, so it must be true.

I also agree that filling in scientific gaps with god is illogical. It is much better to apply Occams Razor when there is no definitive answer.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

The interesting bit of the discussion now is the debate between Cofty and Kate as it exposes me to the technicalities of a subject I have little real knowledge of. - K99

Okay fair enough, that's really great that you're reading it all. Thank you very much. I think I can better answer cofty's questions, because he is using my language, and I can respond to his chemical points. I really don't mean to discriminate this way, I didn't realise I was.

To add, I don't mind cofty trying to prove me wrong either. I actually like it. You never know he might even change my views.

Hey Ruby, glad you got back on the thread. You must've got my PM xx

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Not content to misrepresent Soai once you have posted the same things three times and copy-pasted it into a PM. Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it correct. - cofty

Hahahah lol. Well you kept thinking I was ignoring you, so I wanted to be sure you had the post.

I might have time later to explain why you are wrong. If not, don't worry I WILL get around to it - cofty

Blah blah blah, I've heard this multiple times. To be fair life is more important than showing me how I have misrepresented Soai. But if you think it's important enough to show me exactly what I have said that is misrepresenting Soai, succinctly then I look forward to you correctly representing him. Like you posting why he wrote the paper. You clearly didn't misrepresent him in that respect, he just hold's the same bias, oops I mean position as you. We don't need quotes from his paper, we trust you cofty.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Please by all means flag any of my posts. My points are directly related to your irrational responses to the topic at hand. - Giles

I disagree, so now back to the topic

cofty,

I responded two days ago to your post explaining Soai's reaction and explained to you there is more to chemistry than just his paper. Sadly you completely ignored the science and made some other comments to try and discredit my credentials.

Here it is again, if you think I am wrong and want to prove I am wrong please explain to me succinctly in chemical terms with evidence why you feel my conclusions are wrong.

Autocatalysis makes it inevitable that if there is the slightest difference in the balance of chiral products then you will get 999 heads out of a thousand. No guidance required.- cofty

The chemistry is correct, but you have drawn your conclusion based limited chemistry, In amino acids, alanine for example the slight difference in balance is always in the l-enantiomer e.g

Image result for alanine

So autocatalysis always occurs one way in Alanine. However in racemic mixtures such as thalidomide, even though there is a slight imbalance autcatalysis does not occur. And both the enantiomers are formed. e.g.

Image result for thalidomide structure

Since the 70's I am sure chemists found ways to isolate the mutagenic d-enantiomer probably with autocatalysis. So Soai highly likely was not the first to discover autocatalysis in 1995.

Other racemic copounds exist such as methanol, ketamine, camphor and tartaric acid. All of which do not have a refractive index of zero all the time. Refractive index is a way to measure chirality using a polorimeter, the l-enantiomers and d-enantiomers rotate in different directions. And when racemic mixtures are measured they are usually slightly positive or negative, but no autocatalysis occurs. So the probability that autocatalysis in alanine to always form the l-enantiomer is guided is high for me.

Do you understand the implications of autocatalysis and how it results in exponential growth? - Cofty

Yes. Do you understand not all enantiomeric compounds are homochiral and racemic mixtures also have slight differences in balance of the stereo ismoers?

This so-called problem was solved by Kenso Soai in 1995. Why have you totally ignored his work in this thread? - Cofty

I have referred to it in other threads and you didn't see my responses. You often say people have ignored you or not responded when in fact you just missed their posts. Only you, me and cantleave on this forum have read it. You're using it to confirm your bias, I am using it to confirm my bias, and cantleave doesn't think it's proof of anything and he is still an atheist.

By the way, if anyone on this thread want to read it post a request for a link and me or cofty will supply it.

cofty, did Soai specifically write his paper to solve the problem of the existence of a creator, or did he write the paper because he wanted to explain how homochirality and chiral compounds are formed and are different?

I never twist facts. My policy is to seek out the very best arguments against my position and follow the evidence wherever it leads. I don't want to be wrong any longer than necessary.- cofty

I see cofty, so you admit you have a position? But you deny being bias? You claim you seek out arguments against your bias, oops sorry position, well it must be true because cofty said it and it's on the internet. Having a position and being biased are completely different. I totally believe you that you don't seek out arguments to confirm your bias, oops sorry position. Image result for alanine

Kenso Soai (21 years ago) - Look I have shown how replicating stuff can end up all left-handed. We can now explain exactly how that happens naturally. Lot's of things Kate has written on this thread shows she doesn't get it either. Soai totally solved the puzzle. Kate is 20 years behind the science with her fingers in her ears singing "lalalala I can't hear you" - cofty

This is just hillarious cofty, having a debate with you about chemistry is like I am playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon struts all over the board shitting everywhere and thinks it's won. When are you going to talk about the chemistry cofty? What part of my post is wrong chemistry? I don't think there is a right or wrong about drawing conclusions, but you insist on trying to prove me wrong. Are you ever going to talk about chemistry?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

he giles grey - you are asking Kate to apologise????
here is Kate to K99 on page 1 - Lol I am sorry for making wrong assumptions. You are genuine. I see that xx.
Good point, this is exactly what Bhom's conclusion is too. I think both perspectives are valid, but neither are absolute yet. In time science will have conclusive evidence, until then we can only draw conclusions from what we have.
to notsurewheretogo p. 2
kate said:Okay so you conclude that autocatalytic set evolved without guidance. Fair enough. I view this as guidance. The very premise of what catalysts do and their purpose leads me to this conclusion. But your conclusion is just as valid.
Kate said:But if you don't think my conclusion is valid, that's okay. It's only my conclusion so far
Kate said: Life would be boring if we all agreed.
p. 3 to notsurewheretogo
kate said: I apologise if you feel I am being evasive.

need I go on? she has been reasonable and respectful.

Thanks Ruby, but this isn't good enough for Giles

Maybe you can cite the post where you do actually apologise for falsely accusing k99 and notsurewheretogo of trying to prove you wrong. Maybe Ruby can? - Giles
I apologise for falsely accusing K99 and Notsure of trying to prove me wrong. I shouldn't have accused them. Sorry K99 and Notsure

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

What doesn't? What have stated that is wrong? I may have used simplistic language and analogies but that doesn't make me wrong! - whatshallicallmyself

Sorry I meant to say it doesn't make chemical sense to me. I can't tell what's right or wrong with what you've said, it just doesn't make sense to me. So I can't respond. You're absolutely right that is doesn't make you wrong using the language you did. My apologies if I came across that way.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Giles, stop being silly and derailing the thread. You're off topic. Read the post above about chemistry and if you can't make a response to the points then don't respond off topic again. I am flagging your post as off topic.

Ruby, I was just going through all my posts to quote them. Thank you very much for doing it for me. Do you remember the poster Viv? Looks like we have a new one lol xx