my initial pangs of unease and doubt led me to research some things.
well, a lot of things really.
i've never felt comfortable using the bible to try to calculate dates (1914).
PE,
I felt the same as I loved being a witness and part of a community. But I was already df'd when I woke up.
You are in a better position you can plan your exit and do things your way. You can be in control of your future.
You can plan days out with your wife and weekends away to do more exciting things than meetings.
Take it slow.....but show her love and fun.
Kate xx
hey everybody, here is our latest video on the jw summer conventions as well as our bunker skit!!!
:).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz1mio38jts.
Wonderful video.....I really enjoyed watching it.
Thanks
Kate xx
in response to the 37 threads in my evolution is a fact series - see bottom of op for links - perry posted a link to an article "44 reasons why evolution isn't true".. i offered him a challenge on the thread and by pm.
predictably he is totally ignoring it, so i am offering the challenge to any evolution-denier who thinks they have evidence to support their position.. please present one specific piece of evidence for creationism.. my task will be to refute it with evidence within 24 hours.. then i will present one piece of evidence for evolution and your challenge will be the same.. all posts must be as succinct as reasonably possible.
entirely in your own words, without copy-paste, videos or links.. please post your interest to take part and we will set it up before the first actual post in the exchange.
You already know that you are being dishonest. I have explained the answer to your question about homochirality in considerable detail more than once and referred you to the work of a Japanese scientist who solved the puzzle. It is a common tactic of creationists to ignore an answer, wait a few weeks and then post the same objection as if it had not been answered. - Cofty
I know in my heart I am not being dishonest. I am a very honest person with integrity. Your argument is not conclusive or satisfying. Just because you are happy with your conclusions doesn't mean we all are. I don't consider myself a creationist either. I am not ignoring your answer just saying you're wrong in your perception of an autocatalyst. But the point is we are at a stalemate situation and I agree there are different interpretations of the scientific facts and there is no definite conclusion either way.
You're just too stubborn and conceited to admit it.
Kate xx
our families have cut off contact with us for the last several months.
they found out that we were celebrating holidays with our non-witness family.
our families were our last tie to the organization, as our former friends stopped associating with us about 3 years ago.
I missed this too. Very good and helpful for ones leaving.
Shame there are so many posters here who have stayed trapped inside WT such a terrible situation.
Kate xx
sorry the site was offline for a short while - i kicked off a re-index of the site to pick up the http -> https changeover and, well, i didn't put any rate limits in place so google went full bore at it.
having the site hosted in google's data centre probably helps it go faster than normal.. in other news, i now know the site can scale to handle an insane number of requests if it ever needs to (as long as i put some more coins in the meter)..
Thanks for funding the site Simon. Many of us really appreciate it.
Kate xx
in response to the 37 threads in my evolution is a fact series - see bottom of op for links - perry posted a link to an article "44 reasons why evolution isn't true".. i offered him a challenge on the thread and by pm.
predictably he is totally ignoring it, so i am offering the challenge to any evolution-denier who thinks they have evidence to support their position.. please present one specific piece of evidence for creationism.. my task will be to refute it with evidence within 24 hours.. then i will present one piece of evidence for evolution and your challenge will be the same.. all posts must be as succinct as reasonably possible.
entirely in your own words, without copy-paste, videos or links.. please post your interest to take part and we will set it up before the first actual post in the exchange.
Are evolution and creation mutually exclusive?
No they are not to many people. But Cofty likes definitive solutions to questions.
I believe that a creator guided certain parts of the evolutionary process.
Cofty hasn't been able to refute my points with science and just uses phrases like 'it's bucket chemistry' there is no definitive answer and I am ok with that.
so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.
anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.
and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?
I am finally up to date with your story. Sorry things haven't gone so well.
I went to my last JC as I was prepared about what I wanted to say and recorded it. It was cathartic for me.
But if you feel uncomfortable and it's an invasion just ignore all their demands......they have no power over you.
Hopefully your mum will always stay in touch.
Kate xx
hi everyone, a bit of an update here on my continuing disaster of a situation.. (refer to my previous posts for the full story) my mom met with me yesterday for dinner, it was nice.. however, she brought up the fact that because i live with my boyfriend and how everything has gone down, i will be disfellowshipped.. i think the elders basically have enough proof of this.. due to the anonymous tipper (still have no clue who it was, i live in another town 100's of miles away from my old congregation territory), and my mom telling them.
i'm not sure when they will announce it, or if they will contact me prior.. at this point i feel so emotionally dead i don't care- on the other hand, i don't want to be disfellowshipped because i do not want to loose a relationship with my mom.
that is the whole reason i tried fading out.. .
Hey Raven, this all happened very quickly indeed. I am so sorry you might lose your mum.
I got df'd and my daughter thought it was unjust....so carried on her relationship with me even though she lived in a different city.
Eventually we both woke up because of the shunning rules.
All the best
Kate xx
hi friends,it has been 20 years that i've slaved for the wt and through out the past couple of years i could feel myself fighting an urge to accept that something was not right.
i fought it off for so long only for it to resurface frequently throughout my years of pioneering, assembly/convention parts, & speaking with people about the "truth", slaving and giving to try to be a "spiritual person" but in reality i was not spiritual because spirituality (according to the org) is doing all of the things they want you to do.
which then will label you as spiritual... no !!!
Hi Raven,
This thread is very good it shows the thought process many go through while having doubts and slowly waking up.
Kate xx
one year ago today my mom passed away.
she was 91 years old.
it has been really hard on me because i never expected what happened, to.have happened.
Hey Sherry,
Sorry you are feeling so emotional today and had such a terrible time with your mum in her last days.
But vent away here. You have supported me loads in tines of need and I am here for you too.
Alzheimers is a really terrible disease and is so hard to struggle through.
Sorry for your tough times
Kate xx
