your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
I am interested in what they are for the simple reason I have yet to find such evidence to make me conclude that evolution was guided and I want to know if there are any. - Notsure
If you are still searching for an answer then that's good to admit. I am not a good leader although I have a sat nav. My conclusions are personal to me as yours should be to you. Evidence can be subjective sometimes when it's not 100 % conclusive. That's where free thinking comes into play.
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
But why is it your conclusion? - K99
Looks like we are going round in circles. It seems you are not really interested in understanding my perspective. I started this thread to explain my conclusions and I have done that.
Given that there is an alternative and reasonable explanation, why is it that you have concluded God is guiding it? - K99
As I have already said to Bhom, in my view it's more probable.
I have an open mind Kate and am happy to be convinced. The question is what can you add to your argument that convinces? - K99
I don't want to convince people that my view is correct. I want to encourage free thinking. Science has the facts and science is impartial. People then are free draw their own conclusions.
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
Sorry Kate, all I am interested in is how you come to your conclusion...that evolution was guided...- Notsure
It's in my OP and you disagree. Life would be boring if we all agreed.
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
But for believers in God, well I mean, did God guide this? Did he mean it so that most species go extinct? So that most individuals die before their natural lifespan ends? - LUHE
I don't know what God meant to do or why. He has never told me anything. I don't think he really gives a shit about anyone or anything. It's like when I built a sandcastle, it was fun and educational, but when it was finished I didn't give a thought about it's feelings and whether or not it would be washed away by the sea. I was thoughtless about my creation.
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
So why the need to attribute it to a deity? - K99
It's not a necessity for me. It's just my conclusion.
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
You can't isolate this one point, which i still don't see how you come to the conclusion you arrive at, and say it means there is a diety WHEN you factor in all other evidences for a god or evolution...because evolution wins hands down every time when you base it on facts...the facts lean heavily towards there was no divine intervention from anything to get to where we are...- Notsure
The reason you don't see how I come to my conclusion is that you have drawn your own conclusions that you are happy with and you feel they are absolute. You have misunderstood me and my title also. You state we have to factor in evidence for god or evolution. They are not mutually exclusive. My title is "I conclude evolution is guided" I know evolution is a fact and I don't dispute it at all.
But if you don't think my conclusion is valid, that's okay. It's only my conclusion so far.
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
Maybe a "creator" created the first DNA molecule, but certainly hasn't controlled the process since. - shepherdless
This is a good point too. And I do agree with it. It's a bit like JWR, someone created the site, someone else took it over, then it was shut down. Some creator's are guilty of not maintaining their creation. Not Simon though, he maintains his creation well.
LUHE, Sorry I missed your question twice. Apologies. In my view I think anyone who creates anything does it for the purpose of fun, investigation and learning. Do you agree?
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
One idea is that groups of molecules can form autocatalytic sets. These are self-sustaining chemical factories, in which the product of one reaction is the feedstock or catalyst for another. The result is a virtuous, self-contained cycle of chemical creation.
Which shows nothing is guided...they continue: - Notsure
Okay so you conclude that autocatalytic set evolved without guidance. Fair enough. I view this as guidance. The very premise of what catalysts do and their purpose leads me to this conclusion. But your conclusion is just as valid.
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
So what you are really proposing is the argument of natural laws, i.e. the existence of laws (such as those guiding auto-catalysis and other chemistry) implies the existence of a creator? - Bhom
Well, not exactly. I just conclude that with my knowledge and understanding of chemistry, evolution is guided, and does the definition of natural mean "happened by chance" or "guided"?. Both are valid and possible. I think my conclusion is more probable, and you think yours is. Science will I am sure give us the facts in the near future.
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
Are you saying that something is guiding the chemical process so that only L/H molecules are formed in living things? Why can this not be natural selection? - K99
Good point, this is exactly what Bhom's conclusion is too. I think both perspectives are valid, but neither are absolute yet. In time science will have conclusive evidence, until then we can only draw conclusions from what we have.
