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  I conclude evolution is guided

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  His paper is the absolute refutation of Kate's point. He proved that the "left-handedness" of life arose as an inevitable result of autocatalysis. It is not a sign of guidance it is bucket chemistry. - cofty

  Yes that was the reason he wrote his paper. It wasn't to discuss with other scientists and chemists how to utilise autocatalytic reactions to accomplish more efficient organic synthesis. I mean if he was writing a paper for that reason we could conclude formation of organic compounds in nature are far superior to what scientists are able to synthesise.
  

  I will make this topic the subject of my next but one thread in my Evolution is a Fact series and explain it in more detail. -cofty

  Yes you've been promising this for years, but still no sign. Only I am interested anyway cofty. Most of the posters here don't really want to know about autocatalysis and homichirality
  
  

  So imo she does agree with Kenso Soai - at least she does not contradict him - Ruby

  Well it's not about agreeing or disagreeing with Soai. He just presents results, and does not draw conclusions about whether or not evolution is guided. But his results do support my conclusions, or confirm my bias.

  Simon and Cofty have made my points, but I'll just add that to start with a preconceived belief and then try (unsuccessfully) to twist existing facts and theories to match that belief is the most dishonest form of thinking and reasoning there is. - Landy

  Yes I agree with Simon, don't think cofty made the point though. But Yes I freely admit I must have some bias, but we all have. Cofty is just as much confirming his bias and twisting facts as I am. Like his idea of the reason for Soai's paper. But I only think it's dishonest if you deny that you are bias, and insist you are impartial when you're constantly looking for evidence to support your conclusions. Confirming your bias isn't always unsuccessful if you are satisfied with your results.

  Kenso Soai's greatest scientific achievement was to show that homochirality occurs naturally - no guidance required. - cofty

  
  

  Oh right my mistake, so it wasn't to discuss with other scientists and chemists how to utilise autocatalytic reactions to accomplish more efficient organic synthesis. You see cofty said it on the internet so it must be true
  
  
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  532

  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  Prologs, good way to come up with a conclusion.

  Ruby, sounds very interesting programme.
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  532

  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  Kate, you should stay away from Cofty's wheelhouse. That's how I roll, and have done well doing so - onegen

  Yes I should, but it's so tempting sometimes and it's fun too
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  532

  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  God guides evolution. It is true. He doesn't use that immense power to stop the molestation of children. He is useless- Silentbuddah

  Yes I agree and he's a bastard arsehole too.
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  532

  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  Kate, IMO the main thing is that you except evolution. If your not ready to give up God that's cool. - Scary

  Thanks for your post, and your acceptance of my beliefs and conclusions.
  
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  How do we tell the difference between good old fashioned natural selection and guided natural selection? And wouldn't we need a mechanism to distinguish between the two before we could conclude our evolution was guided? - coded logic

  Why do we need to tell the difference? What we need to draw any conclusions is satisfying evidence. What satisfies one person, does not satisfy another.
  
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  I couldn't be anymore specific. - Giles

  No you couldn't. If you want to you could do a bit of learning about the details in the OP and then formulate a specific question for me to challenge me or prove me wrong.

  But it doesn't matter, cofty has made a specific point to challenge my conclusions and to try and prove me wrong. He is pretty straight forward about wanting to provide proof. I don't have a problem with that.
  
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  I will not be phoning you to discuss it, not because I am not genuine, but firstly the discussion was happening here and, secondly, I am a married man trying to fade therefore making surreptitious phone calls to ladies my wife does not know is not high on my agenda of risks to take. You might have phone conversations with others, like cantleave, but that's under very different circumstances for you both. - K99

  That's totally understandable. In fact I have just a debate with cantleave this morning on the phone. Thanks for showing a genuine interest, I am enjoying this thread.
  
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  Did you ever read the paper I linked for you months ago? - cofty

  Yes and I responded every time you have posted a link to it, but you must have missed my posts

  Autocatalysis makes it inevitable that if there is the slightest difference in the balance of chiral products then you will get 999 heads out of a thousand. No guidance required.- cofty

  The chemistry is correct, but you have drawn your conclusion based limited chemistry, In amino acids, alanine for example the slight difference in balance is always in the l-enantiomer e.g

  

  So autocatalysis always occurs one way in Alanine. However in racemic mixtures such as thelidomide, even though there is a slight imbalance autcatalysis does not occur. And both the enantiomers are formed. e.g.

  

  Since the 70's I am sure chemists found ways to isolate the mutagenic d-enantiomer probably with autocatalysis. So Soai highly likely was not the first to discover autocatalysis in 1995.

  Other racemic copounds exist such as methanol, ketamine, camphor and tartaric acid. All of which do not have a refractive index of zero all the time. Refractive index is a way to measure chirality using a polorimeter, the l-enantiomers and d-enantiomers rotate in different directions. And when racemic mixtures are measured they are usually slightly positive or negative, but no autocatalysis occurs. So the probability that autocatalysis in alanine to always form the l-enantiomer is guided is high for me.

  Do you understand the implications of autocatalysis and how it results in exponential growth? - Cofty

  Yes. Do you understand not all enantiomeric compounds are homochiral and racemic mixtures also have slight differences in balance of the stereo ismoers?

  This so-called problem was solved by Kenso Soai in 1995. Why have you totally ignored his work in this thread? - Cofty

  I have referred to it in other threads and you didn't see my responses. You often say people have ignored you or not responded when in fact you just missed their posts. Only you, me and cantleave on this forum have read it. You're using it to confirm your bias, I am using it to confirm my bias, and cantleave doesn't think it's proof of anything and he is still an atheist.

  By the way, if anyone on this thread want to read it post a request for a link and me or cofty will supply it.

  cofty, did Soai specifically write his paper to solve the problem of the existence of a creator, or did he write the paper because he wanted to explain how homochirality and chiral compounds are formed and are different?
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  Thanks guys for all your responses. Nice to have some cheerleaders. I will answer cofty first and then reply to as many of you a possible.