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  Possible Military Coup in Turkey!

  by cofty in

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  if this does turn out to be the case it could have very serious implications.... turkey hovers between western freedom and democracy and an islamic hell.

  europe has been bending over backwards to keep turkey on-side and promising it fast-tracked entry to the eu in return for it's cooperation in controlling mass migration from the east.. the situation is unclear at the moment but there are tanks on the streets....

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  KateWild

  Oh dear this is bad news.

  it will seriously curtail the US ability to launch attacks in Syria. - Coded logic

  Do you think the US should be launching attacks on Syria? If so why?
  
  
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  What religion does Steven Hassan practices?

  by cyberjesus in

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  do you know?

  i think i saw a video stating he is now jewish?

  i am not certain, does anybody know?.

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  KateWild

  I know Steven Hassan was Jewish before he joined the Moonies. But being Jewish doesn't necessarily mean that person believes in God. My parents are Jewish, I was brought up celebrating Jewish holidays which were fun, my dad is agnostic and my mum is atheist, because of her suffering at Hitler's hands. Judaism is more of a culture for them than a religious belief, my dad still goes to synagogue every Saturday, when he prays he probably doesn't think he is praying to God though.

  Some people refer to Lawrence Krauss as an Atheist Jewish Scientist.

  Good thread, I have met Steven Hassan before and never thought to ask him about his religious beliefs.
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  Rather is someone who doesn't believe in a deity because of the lack of evidence of his existence. - cyberjesus
  some are atheist because they see no evidence of God. - Kate

  I think lack of evidence, and see no evidence means the same thing. Like I said all atheists have different reasons for their position.

  Anyway. ThanKS for sharing your conclusions... - cyberjesus

  Thanks for being interested enough to read them. Especially as they are just opinions and hold no influence. I really appreciate you doing so.
  
  
  
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  A Flashback

  by Gwydion in

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  i feel like a vietnam vet from the movies.

  i am safely sitting at a computer and i flip to the sports headlines to see what they have to say about the stanley cup finals and there it is......in big bold letters it says eyes on the prize.

  the sound of the kingdom melody sung loudly and terribly off key ring in my head and it won't stop!!!

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  KateWild

  Lol that's a funny story.
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  Our Humble Origins

  by Coded Logic in

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  wow, this just blew my mind.

  it's an issue i've had with the claims people make about our supposed divine genesis but don't think i've ever seen anyone so precisely hit the nail on the head.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdumiut9m3m.

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  KateWild

  Your one in the OP is quite good, but it's not as funny as this one

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-zi25GgVE
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  actually theists have a range of ways of conceiving of how God guides evolution - you are describing a fairly narrow way of how he does so. Deists for example have a different view from pantheist Christians. - Ruby

  This is a really good point to highlight we are all individuals. The way we accepted WT was different for all of us the way we woke up was too, and the way we come to conclusions that evolution is guided is different for all of us that have come to this conclusion. It's personal for us.

  Also the reasons why people are atheist are different for everyone. some people are atheist because of suffering and others are because of scientific fact, and some are because of both, some are atheist because they see no evidence of God.

  Good point Ruby
  
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  Our conclusions should follow the evidence. Not try and lead the evidence - Codedlogic

  Yes I absolutely agree. That's what I do. Do you think Cofty is trying to lead the evidence by making this unsubstantiated claim? I don't but what do you think?

  Kenso Soai (21 years ago) - Look I have shown how replicating stuff can end up all left-handed. We can now explain exactly how that happens naturally. - cofty

  Soai nowhere is his paper drew this conclusion in these words. But cofty is not bias, he just has a position, and cofty is not twisting facts to lead the evidence. He said he doesn't, so it must be true.
  

  I also agree that filling in scientific gaps with god is illogical. It is much better to apply Occams Razor when there is no definitive answer.
  
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  The interesting bit of the discussion now is the debate between Cofty and Kate as it exposes me to the technicalities of a subject I have little real knowledge of. - K99

  Okay fair enough, that's really great that you're reading it all. Thank you very much. I think I can better answer cofty's questions, because he is using my language, and I can respond to his chemical points. I really don't mean to discriminate this way, I didn't realise I was.

  To add, I don't mind cofty trying to prove me wrong either. I actually like it. You never know he might even change my views.

  Hey Ruby, glad you got back on the thread. You must've got my PM xx
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  Not content to misrepresent Soai once you have posted the same things three times and copy-pasted it into a PM. Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it correct. - cofty

  Hahahah lol. Well you kept thinking I was ignoring you, so I wanted to be sure you had the post.
  

  I might have time later to explain why you are wrong. If not, don't worry I WILL get around to it - cofty

  Blah blah blah, I've heard this multiple times. To be fair life is more important than showing me how I have misrepresented Soai. But if you think it's important enough to show me exactly what I have said that is misrepresenting Soai, succinctly then I look forward to you correctly representing him. Like you posting why he wrote the paper. You clearly didn't misrepresent him in that respect, he just hold's the same bias, oops I mean position as you. We don't need quotes from his paper, we trust you cofty.
  
  
  
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  KateWild

  Please by all means flag any of my posts. My points are directly related to your irrational responses to the topic at hand. - Giles

  I disagree, so now back to the topic

  cofty,

  I responded two days ago to your post explaining Soai's reaction and explained to you there is more to chemistry than just his paper. Sadly you completely ignored the science and made some other comments to try and discredit my credentials.

  Here it is again, if you think I am wrong and want to prove I am wrong please explain to me succinctly in chemical terms with evidence why you feel my conclusions are wrong.

  Autocatalysis makes it inevitable that if there is the slightest difference in the balance of chiral products then you will get 999 heads out of a thousand. No guidance required.- cofty
  

  The chemistry is correct, but you have drawn your conclusion based limited chemistry, In amino acids, alanine for example the slight difference in balance is always in the l-enantiomer e.g

  

  So autocatalysis always occurs one way in Alanine. However in racemic mixtures such as thalidomide, even though there is a slight imbalance autcatalysis does not occur. And both the enantiomers are formed. e.g.

  

  Since the 70's I am sure chemists found ways to isolate the mutagenic d-enantiomer probably with autocatalysis. So Soai highly likely was not the first to discover autocatalysis in 1995.

  Other racemic copounds exist such as methanol, ketamine, camphor and tartaric acid. All of which do not have a refractive index of zero all the time. Refractive index is a way to measure chirality using a polorimeter, the l-enantiomers and d-enantiomers rotate in different directions. And when racemic mixtures are measured they are usually slightly positive or negative, but no autocatalysis occurs. So the probability that autocatalysis in alanine to always form the l-enantiomer is guided is high for me.

  Do you understand the implications of autocatalysis and how it results in exponential growth? - Cofty

  Yes. Do you understand not all enantiomeric compounds are homochiral and racemic mixtures also have slight differences in balance of the stereo ismoers?

  This so-called problem was solved by Kenso Soai in 1995. Why have you totally ignored his work in this thread? - Cofty

  I have referred to it in other threads and you didn't see my responses. You often say people have ignored you or not responded when in fact you just missed their posts. Only you, me and cantleave on this forum have read it. You're using it to confirm your bias, I am using it to confirm my bias, and cantleave doesn't think it's proof of anything and he is still an atheist.

  By the way, if anyone on this thread want to read it post a request for a link and me or cofty will supply it.

  cofty, did Soai specifically write his paper to solve the problem of the existence of a creator, or did he write the paper because he wanted to explain how homochirality and chiral compounds are formed and are different?

  I never twist facts. My policy is to seek out the very best arguments against my position and follow the evidence wherever it leads. I don't want to be wrong any longer than necessary.- cofty

  I see cofty, so you admit you have a position? But you deny being bias? You claim you seek out arguments against your bias, oops sorry position, well it must be true because cofty said it and it's on the internet. Having a position and being biased are completely different. I totally believe you that you don't seek out arguments to confirm your bias, oops sorry position.

  Kenso Soai (21 years ago) - Look I have shown how replicating stuff can end up all left-handed. We can now explain exactly how that happens naturally. Lot's of things Kate has written on this thread shows she doesn't get it either. Soai totally solved the puzzle. Kate is 20 years behind the science with her fingers in her ears singing "lalalala I can't hear you" - cofty

  This is just hillarious cofty, having a debate with you about chemistry is like I am playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon struts all over the board shitting everywhere and thinks it's won. When are you going to talk about the chemistry cofty? What part of my post is wrong chemistry? I don't think there is a right or wrong about drawing conclusions, but you insist on trying to prove me wrong. Are you ever going to talk about chemistry?