Posts by SadElder

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Celebrating Birthdays--Disfellowshipping Offense--Where stated in WT pubs?

by blondie in

blondis is asking for help.

where does it state that if a jw celebrates a brithday that it is a disfellowshipping offense.

i have searched and searched.

SadElder

Looked both in the KS book and my 'secret' letter file. Can't find any specific reference to indicate this is a df'ing offense. However they can make anything stick if they choose to do so.

The reports I have from Brooklyn are that many bizarre things are happening with respect to removal of elders. Elders being removed right and left at some elder group's whim, so df'ing should be easy. All they have to do is say that "So and So has demonstrated by his course of conduct that he is no longer considered one of Jehovah's Witnesses." That will be the end of that. The Bethel CIA (AKA Service Department under J. Edgar Jaracz)continues it's unkind and uncaring rule as the "benevolent dictatorship."

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Since JWs Never Helped Anyone But Themselves, What Do You Do 4 People?

by minimus in

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friends

we, as witnesses were taught to believe that our giving the "truth" to people was the most important gift we could give!

forget about giving money to charities or helping any other group out----we needed to give them the "real life".

do you find yourself giving back to the community or to others now that you're out?

SadElder

For the past seven years, and until just recently, I served as the Chair for a large endowment fund specifically setup to provide funds to the Leukemia Foundation and several free clinics. Even as a JW elder I donated time and funds to causes I felt comfortable helping, despite the opinions of the "lording it over the minions class".

My wife is quite active in fundraising causes for several worthy groups including a shelter for abused women.

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Anyone know of a Doctor, Lawyer or other "Professional" who is JW?

by wordlywife in

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friends

i was just wondering.

since college was (still is?

) discouraged, have any of you known persons of higher education to be in the organization, either by completing it while in or became jw afterwards?

SadElder

Talked with some Bethel friends last night. Interesting that Burt Schroeder's son Judah Ben has left Bethel to go to University to study law, reportedly specializing in International Law. Now isn't that a crock?

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Anyone know of a Doctor, Lawyer or other "Professional" who is JW?

by wordlywife in

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friends

i was just wondering.

since college was (still is?

) discouraged, have any of you known persons of higher education to be in the organization, either by completing it while in or became jw afterwards?

SadElder

Though reared in the 'truth', we did not hold to the education is the great "satanic evil" doctrine in our family. Both my wife and I attended major universities and hold professional degrees. Because we are still known we don't want to reveal a great deal about our personal lives. Suffice it to say that

We encouraged all three of our children to be the best at whatever they chose to become. My boys are both physicians as well, and have taken over my practice, allowing us time to pursue other venues that are far more profitable in a monetary sense. Our daughter, now married, is a fine (we think) attorney in private practice along with her husband.

BTW the latest from the ?House? (Brooklyn Bethel) is that they are now sending at least two Bethelites to Dental school due to a severe lack of assistance (AKA free care) in that field. They have in the past sent two perhaps more to Law school. Two just recently passed the Bar. So much for the evils of higher learning.

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Question about letters to society.

by laurelin in

hi.. i was reading another post about asking for your personal files.

i was wondering if anyone knew if the society send copies of letters you have sent to them to your congregation.. i recently sent them a letter asking about the old information about the 1914 generation on their website.. i received a letter back from them that didn't answer the question (what's new) but was more a slap on the wrist for even deigning to ask.

i was directed to a couple of articles about the apreciation and good use of older publications and told that older light had to be taken into regard with newer light and that older books still have their worth as long as we use newer ones as well.... talk about confusing.. anyway, i was wondering if they would send the elders in my congregation a copy of my letter to them?.

SadElder

As we understand it, all correspondence sent to the US branch (not sure about any other areas) is scanned into a docement retrieval system. Then any letters written previously by that person are reviewed along with the current document. Copies of most letters are fowarded on to the local elder body and sometimes also to the CO and DO with specific instructions on how to handle the matter. The reply usually sent back to a publisher from the Bethel CIA (AKA Service Dept under J. Edgar Jaracz) is vague and self serving at best.

Though I am no longer interested in corresponding with that whore in Brooklyn, my attorney suggests using the following on each page of any piece of correspondence:

"Copyright 2004 by (your name). No portion of this document may be copied or reproduced in any manner, including introduction into automatic data retrieval systems, without the express written consent of the author. The author intends to vigorously prosecute any violation of this copyright."

Then let's sit back and see how many letters get copied and mailed around. Would make for an interesting law suit and another scandal for the harlot riding on the back of the UN.

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A question on Matt. 18 and Judicial Committees

by SadElder in

in times past when serving as an elder i was always irritated that other elders would want to jump to judicial actions before the "offended one" had carried out the below cited steps.

oh i know the wt cia (aka service dept) says this is for minor sins, but i don't read that in these verses of matt 18:.

"moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone.

SadElder

In times past when serving as an elder I was always irritated that other elders would want to jump to judicial actions before the "offended one" had carried out the below cited steps. Oh I know the WT CIA (AKA Service Dept) says this is for minor sins, but I don't read that in these verses of Matt 18:

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"Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, in order that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. 17 If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector.

So does this apply just to petty grievances or does it apply to all types of "sin"?

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The latest buzz phrase from Bethel

by SadElder in

have heard recently from some bethel folks that a new buzz phrase is being tossed around from the bethel breakfast table.

"jehovah and jesus are in charge so no one will ever be damaged permanently.".

guess this means elders, co's, do's, the bethel cia (aka the service department) all can do whatever they want, to whomever they want, in any manner they want, and it will be ok because jehovah will not let anyone be damaged permanently.. oh boy, here we go again.. beat the sheep with complete disregard.. dr. j

SadElder

Have heard recently from some Bethel folks that a new buzz phrase is being tossed around from the Bethel breakfast table. "Jehovah and Jesus are in charge so no one will ever be damaged permanently."

Guess this means elders, CO's, DO's, the Bethel CIA (AKA the Service Department) all can do whatever they want, to whomever they want, in any manner they want, and it will be OK because Jehovah will not let anyone be damaged permanently.

Oh Boy, here we go again.

Beat the sheep with complete disregard.

Dr. J

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What do you all have planned for the 4th

by kls in

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friends

i will probably have a cook out with my kids and play volley ball.

what special plan's do you all have?

please have a safe and great holiday and to all that are going to be alone,i do think of you and wish you could join me, it would be my pleasure.

SadElder

Come now we're all supposed to meet at the contact point, err uh, rendezvous, errr, uh meeting for field service to have a special day of field service activity. Go ahead if you want

We're going to sleep in and then go out for breakfast and don't ring our doorbell it won't be turned on.

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Hey! Did you ever wonder how to use a piece of plastic to cover the mags?

by joenobody in

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friends

here's a truly weird flash animation demo of "how to use magazine covers".

this is waaaay too bizarre... if anyone is good with shockwave or flash they should do a parody (although the self-parodying nature of this is too much!)..

http://www.mckennabookcovers.com/first_page.html

SadElder

don't know what was funnier: the singing of From House to House by someone who imagines himself to be Pavarotti but really isn't

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't know about plastic mag. covers. Never used one myself. Only leather. (No comments please)

As to that awful rendition of House to House, that's a track from what is reportedly the worst sold album in the entire portfolio of WT music albums produced: "Singing Kingdom Songs". When we received our copy after it's release we were in shock at the poor quality of almost the entire album. We were told that the singer sans-voice lessons was a former DO Charles Sinutko. He sang this song years ago at the special meeting where Harold King spoke about his long incarceration. Heard Knorr was not impressed either.

"Singing Kingdom Songs" was the brain-child of Karl Klein and Joe Spinelli. Supposedly The WT studio production staff at Bethel was less than pleased at having to produce this project.

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Governing Body Stories

by GenericMan in

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friends

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i was wondering if anybody here has any stories about members of the governing body?

has anyone here personally met one of them?.

SadElder

Oh my GB members. Over the years we've met and entertained many, some even staying in our home.

Nathan Knorr - a pompous twit.

Dan Sydlik - not your ordinary GB member. Will actually stick his neck out for Bethelites he thinks have been wronged. He is moody. But his quick wit is often mistaken for grumpiness.

Ted "the Boss" Jaracz - dangerous. Don't trust him as far as I can throw a Mann press. Wants to be in control all the time. Head of the Bethel CIA the service department. Unkind, lacking in fellow feeling.

Jack Barr - a true gentleman. A great people person. Goes out of his way to make people feel comfortable.

Burt Schroeder - out there. Not quite sure if, even in his younger days, he's all there at times. Lovely wife - Charlotte - a true gem.

Barber - comes up with some really funny one liners. But he's been past it for a long time.

Fred Franz - loved fishing. Burt Schroeder once caught a fish hook in Fred's scalp. Not serious, Fred thought it was funny. Fred used to come to breakfast and eat a spoonful of honey in a cup of hot water... that's it. I always expected him to bring out a locust or two.

Lyman Swingle- what a mouth on him. Had the capability of cussing like a sailor. He once told us this story about Bethelites

40 years ago you could tell a new boy (new Bethelite) to go jump off the top of the 117 building and he'd do it.

20 years ago the would ask "Do I have to?" and then go do it.

Now they say "show me a scripture."

George Gangas - I don't need a television I see visions in my head.

As we remember more stories we'll try and post them