Posts by talesin

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Control - Whose worse, the JWs or the traditional churches?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

we once experienced, the "you'll die at armegeddon," fear instilled into us as jw's.. was that worse or better than the fear of eternal torment instilled by more conventional religions?.

john spong gives his view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkah3hemv3m.

talesin

Your words (if indicating hate) confirm their faith, so when ex-witnesses talk 'hate' they (JWs), recalling the words of Jesus, shut down their thought processes and recall only what Jesus said - been there, done that !!!!

ExJWs are not 'the world'.

We are survivors who were abused by the JWS.

Do I hate the people who raped me as a chlid? DAMN STRAIGHT That's called 'normal'.

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Having been also spiritually raped, and physically abused, by the JW cult, it is perfectly natural that I hate it.

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Do I tell JWS that? Why would I bother? I choose to vent here.

(haha, proofreading this and oops - did I split my infinitive? The horror!)

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

talesin

Fisherman, go argue with Cofty about god. This is serious business. Not interested in your baiting.

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Did you get " Counseled " about the Music you Listened to While you were a JW ?

by flipper in

jw
friends

from the time i was a small boy - i loved rock n' roll music.

beatles, rolling stones, led zeppelin, hendrix.

i started getting slighted for the music i listened to as i lay in my bedroom listening on headphones to led zeppelin's song " black dog " at age 14 with my elder dad looking suspiciously at me as i'm rocking out .

talesin

JUMP! Roth is a arse, but loved his acrobatics. One of my fav bands as well. No one plays the ax like Eddie.

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Haha, simulpost, NN. I was replying to Beth's comment there.

Me, too. What a great dad he is. That was when I got interested in Simmons, and found out who he 'really' was. The whole womanizing thing - so what? who cares? I had previously not liked him (left over JW judging), but now realize that yup, he's a genius.

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Disfellowshipped for celebrating Xmas?

by Theburstbubble in

i could really do with some advice on what's acceptable when you leave.

we have left of our own accord about 6 months ago.

we didn't celebrate xmas this year but have just celebrated my daughters birthday.. a friend of mine who is still a witness told me that an elder had approached her and asked if we had celebrated xmas and that if we did it was a df offence as is classed as apostasy!

talesin

rebel8, that's cray-cray, BIG TIME.

Wasanelder - backatcha, bro. : ))

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A Separate Identity: Organizational Identity Among Readers of Zion’s Watch ... By B. W. Schulz

by Terry in

enter:.

https://books.google.com/books.

a separate identity: organizational identity among readers of zion’s watch .

talesin

Thanks for that link, Old Goat. This stuff is fascinating. Also, I commented on one of their requests for info, regarding my family's name and location - they were in the religion in the 1800s. It would be very cool if that helps them to 'connect some dots'. : D

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Next steps for the Austrailian Royal Commission

by Coded Logic in

since the watchtowers' lawyers have (a) failed to make any recommendations to the arc that would bring the watchtower up to date with "best practices and procedures" (b) have failed to submit a proposal for victim restitution (c) have failed to secure funding for a redress scheme and (d) have completely dismissed all the arcs' findings - what's the royal commission's next course of action?.

i see two possibilities:.

) negotiate a settlement with the watchtower.

talesin

OC - great research. Here's a NYT article about the case I mentioned. In researching this, I may be wrong about the class action suit. My memory sucks lately (sigh). As you can see, the NS govt. set up a fund ...... big mess ensued! You may find it interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/13/world/shelburne-journal-tales-of-sex-violence-and-greed-in-a-small-town.html

and the ensuing Kaufman Report (results of a Public Inquiry) ......

https://www.novascotia.ca/just/kaufmanreport/fullreport.pdf

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Disfellowshipped for celebrating Xmas?

by Theburstbubble in

i could really do with some advice on what's acceptable when you leave.

we have left of our own accord about 6 months ago.

we didn't celebrate xmas this year but have just celebrated my daughters birthday.. a friend of mine who is still a witness told me that an elder had approached her and asked if we had celebrated xmas and that if we did it was a df offence as is classed as apostasy!

talesin

Wasanelder - my good friend moved away, partied like a rock star AND got an education while she was young, and has lived her whole life as a 'worldly' person. She moved back to the province a decade or so ago, but to another city, attends conventions. Her 'secret life' has never been found out. I'm happy for her, to tell the truth. She beat the system, and was smart enough to figure out how back in the 70s. xx : )

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Did you get " Counseled " about the Music you Listened to While you were a JW ?

by flipper in

jw
friends

from the time i was a small boy - i loved rock n' roll music.

beatles, rolling stones, led zeppelin, hendrix.

i started getting slighted for the music i listened to as i lay in my bedroom listening on headphones to led zeppelin's song " black dog " at age 14 with my elder dad looking suspiciously at me as i'm rocking out .

talesin

NN - well, how cool is THAT? : D

I know what you mean. He is just brilliant, and raised by a single mom. I was impressed by his great love for his mother, and family, as well as his business acumen.

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Disfellowshipped for celebrating Xmas?

by Theburstbubble in

i could really do with some advice on what's acceptable when you leave.

we have left of our own accord about 6 months ago.

we didn't celebrate xmas this year but have just celebrated my daughters birthday.. a friend of mine who is still a witness told me that an elder had approached her and asked if we had celebrated xmas and that if we did it was a df offence as is classed as apostasy!

talesin

I know. They came after me, years later. My family pushed for them to pursue it, I think, in hopes that DFing me would make me come back. haha, WRONG.

But yeah, it kinda feels like your head is gonna explode, right?

They are also 'clamping down' on JW relatives who talk to DF family members. : (

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_Lnz64vXB8

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

talesin

Hi! Perhaps you don't realize how big a task the ARC has undertaken. They are reviewing not just the JWS, but many organizations or groups. So the JWS are just one small part of the Commission's mission.

Unlike the JWS and their judicial procedures, the ARC has to interview expert witnesses, survivors of the abuse, and the Watchtower representatives. Everything has to be clear and detailed - if it's not, the JWS can use any mistakes or lack of information to wriggle out of their responsibility.

Yes, it takes a long time. And though it would be wonderful if the ARC could lay charges, they can only make recommendations about what needs to be done to protect the children.

I hope that helps with understanding the process a little better. And no, it's not Jehovah helping them - it's just the way things work. xx tal

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Edited to say: David Graham - without a doubt, you are correct, sir! Just like other corporate executives, they have a 'Board of Directors' and 'shareholders' to answer to. Whoever, and whatever, they may be.