Posts by talesin

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feeling blue about loss of faith?Grimly holding on in the face of your mortality?Dust that sings

by Diogenesister in

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as i am aware a lot of posters are feeling down or grieving the certainties lost when their faith is revealed as nothing but the stories of mortal men...i am posting one of my favourite youtubers, philhellenes who, like the ancients you studied, contemplates that sense of awe that he is indeed fearfully and wonderfully made...and when faced with the inevitability of mortality he imagines the plight of the mayfly...and wonders" would it be cruel to tell an adult mayfly that it only has that afternoon to live...would it still fly as far and as high as it could?might it fly further and higher than usual?or would it forget about it's wings and sit on the water, head bowed, sufficiently traumatised to invent religion?".

we are privileged that after millennia we are some of the first life forms to know exactly how we came to be..and what we are made of ...and if that isnt miraculously awe inspiring,i don't know what is.

talesin

Cold Steel

I would say that they refuse to call themselves a church in order to make themselves appear to be different. It's one of the few things the R&F have to hold onto - the fact that they are different from 'Christendom'. For example, their clergy? Is not clergy. But they *are* clergy when they want to claim privilege (eg, child rape cases).

So it's not a church, it's a Kingdom Hall. They have no clergy, everyone is a minister. Some ministers just have more control and authority than others.

Yup, it's crazy time! : P

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A Separate Identity: Organizational Identity Among Readers of Zion’s Watch ... By B. W. Schulz

by Terry in

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https://books.google.com/books.

a separate identity: organizational identity among readers of zion’s watch .

talesin

Fascinating. Russell seems to have been quite purposeful in creating his own sect. For the past few years, I've been learning snippets of the roots of the JW. The more I learn, the more interesting it becomes. Thank you.

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Disfellowshipped for celebrating Xmas?

by Theburstbubble in

i could really do with some advice on what's acceptable when you leave.

we have left of our own accord about 6 months ago.

we didn't celebrate xmas this year but have just celebrated my daughters birthday.. a friend of mine who is still a witness told me that an elder had approached her and asked if we had celebrated xmas and that if we did it was a df offence as is classed as apostasy!

talesin

Landy

Many of these things are decided, as already pointed out, by the local BOE. I have not set foot in a KH since the day my mother threw me out at age 18 (because I didn't believe it, and refused to attend meetings - I had done nothing 'wrong'). For a couple of years, they tried to get me to go to the Memorial, and the ASSemblies, and I refused. Then, they sicced the elders on me.

This was years ago. It's all relative to where you live, which congo you're in, and who you are. You'll see all different versions of how people were left alone, or hunted down. It's Looney-Tunes! : )

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Disfellowshipped for celebrating Xmas?

by Theburstbubble in

i could really do with some advice on what's acceptable when you leave.

we have left of our own accord about 6 months ago.

we didn't celebrate xmas this year but have just celebrated my daughters birthday.. a friend of mine who is still a witness told me that an elder had approached her and asked if we had celebrated xmas and that if we did it was a df offence as is classed as apostasy!

talesin

DOC

Yes, I realize that. When I was first on the DB, it was very exciting that I had evidence. The UN thing was news to me as well. I was like, WOW!

We had an agreement - they would not shun me, as long as I didn't bring up the religion. That was for years. But now, now I had evidence!

So, I tried. Once. That was over 10 years ago. You have to try at least once. : )

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

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i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

talesin

Never mind. I think it's off-topic, and just my opinion. Take care.

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Disfellowshipped for celebrating Xmas?

by Theburstbubble in

i could really do with some advice on what's acceptable when you leave.

we have left of our own accord about 6 months ago.

we didn't celebrate xmas this year but have just celebrated my daughters birthday.. a friend of mine who is still a witness told me that an elder had approached her and asked if we had celebrated xmas and that if we did it was a df offence as is classed as apostasy!

talesin

They will just say it is not a "real" recording or transcript. It's photo shopped or fake. That's what was said here by a local Eldub.

DOC - precisely.

This was the response when I presented the facts (and the web locations) to my parents about the UN library card. One of their best elder friends owned a PC business; one of their close family members is a programmer, and they had easy access to the facts, but no dice. It was all a lie, and they wouldn't even bother checking, because it could not be true.

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Q. Why is showing facts to a Jehovah's Witness like banging your head against a brick wall?

A. Because it feels so good when you stop.

mwah haha!

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smiddy - No, I am breaking up with you. : P

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Overlapping Generation

by pandorasbox1914 in

the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

talesin

I needed that so much. Haven't laughed this hard in months. Thanks, you two! t

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

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friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

talesin

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How you want to get disfellowshipped

by ivanatahan in

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i was inspired by an amazing topic i read earlier, particularly about what some people did when their shunning was announced.

how would you guys celebrate such an honor?

or, if you already have a great story to share about what you did during your announcement, please share!.

talesin

Ivanatahan - blasting Freddie Mercury singing "I Want to Break Free" on my 8-track as I peel out of the parking lot.

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How you want to get disfellowshipped

by ivanatahan in

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friends

i was inspired by an amazing topic i read earlier, particularly about what some people did when their shunning was announced.

how would you guys celebrate such an honor?

or, if you already have a great story to share about what you did during your announcement, please share!.

talesin

JW GoneBad Good one!

La petite mort is what the French call orgasm - "the little death". : ))

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I wish I would have been more (hmmm, how to say it ... oh, yes) BRAZEN when I was younger. I would have dressed 'to the nines', stood up and said "NO. I disfellowshipped YOU years ago - too late, suckers!"

(I have 'hand' a la George Costanza)

(never said fukk until I was in my late 20s - cussing was considered declasse in my family, and it was real work, learning to swear when it's appropriate, so 'suckers': P )