Posts by talesin

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I'm getting disfellowshipped

by raven in

hi everyone, a bit of an update here on my continuing disaster of a situation.. (refer to my previous posts for the full story) my mom met with me yesterday for dinner, it was nice.. however, she brought up the fact that because i live with my boyfriend and how everything has gone down, i will be disfellowshipped.. i think the elders basically have enough proof of this.. due to the anonymous tipper (still have no clue who it was, i live in another town 100's of miles away from my old congregation territory), and my mom telling them.

i'm not sure when they will announce it, or if they will contact me prior.. at this point i feel so emotionally dead i don't care- on the other hand, i don't want to be disfellowshipped because i do not want to loose a relationship with my mom.

that is the whole reason i tried fading out.. .

talesin

Hi everyone, a bit of an update here on my continuing disaster of a situation.. (refer to my previous posts for the full story) my mom met with me yesterday for dinner, it was nice.. However, she brought up the fact that because I live with my boyfriend and how everything has gone down, I will be disfellowshipped.. I think the elders basically have enough proof of this.. Due to the anonymous tipper (still have no clue who it was, I live in another town 100's of miles away from my old congregation territory), and my mom telling them. I'm not sure when they will announce it, or if they will contact me prior.. At this point I feel so emotionally dead I don't care- On the other hand, I don't want to be disfellowshipped because I do not want to loose a relationship with my mom. That is the whole reason I tried fading out..

raven Your mom turned you in. That is a very difficult thing to know (imo, speaking as a daughter who was betrayed by her mom).

I feel that LisaRose had some good advice, and I would like to mirror that. Scroll up, if you will, and read her post again, and I think you will find it helpful.

Don't spend the rest of your life trying to gain Mom's approval. It will only bring pain. You are worthy of all the good things in life - personal fulfillment, self-awareness, and bliss, to mention a few. Your mother has little to do with that - make your own path. She is not worthy of you. Your story touched my heart. We do NOT have to bend to our narcissistic mothers' will! Rise above her mental hysteria, and have a good life. xx

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Freedom of speech?

by The Rebel in

attending my boys parents evening it was mentiond they were to study the " diary of anne frank".

( he is 10 years old) i pointed out to the teacher that having read the book, in my option the book was not written entirely by anne frank, and i would educate my boy on why i believe this to be so.. in my mind this was a totally reasonable responce by me, but it has resulted in the head-master of the school wanting to meet with me.

i think it wrong that an educational system will i suspect meet with me and presumably suggest my options on the " anne frank diary" constitute hate speech, as nothing could be further from the truth.. freedom of speech is never absolute, but at what point do you think it reasonable and justified?

talesin

The Rebel ,

I would wager a guess that you are from central Canada, perhaps Alberta. There is good reason why the teacher would want to meet with you, considering the history of your province re: the Holocaust.

As for your assertions re The Diary of Anne Frank, you have already been proven wrong (as well as others who agreed with you as to the veracity of its critics), so I will not address that issue.

As to Canada's history with holocaust deniers and hate speech, I offer you these links as a form of education Read them if you want, I care NOT. If you wish to join the ranks of Keegstra and Malcolm Ross, so be it.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/jim-keegstra-notorious-canadian-holocaust-denier-dead-at-80-1.2674372

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Ross_(school_teacher

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Baptized niece crowned prom queen. Could her dad loose his MS appt?

by StarTrekAngel in

so my niece (not thru my brother but rather my wife) had been talking about going to her prom.

the family had privately been somewhat doubtful that she would be allowed to go.

the problem was that they kept promising she would be allowed but history has shown us that her parents tend to get her excited about things and then drop the denial on her at the last minute.

talesin

Your daughter is lucky to have you as a parent. Screw the elders - as Oscar Wilde said, "The best revenge is to live life well." Leave the WTS behind, enjoy freedom, and never look back. Let her know that 'it's okay to be YOU'............. love her madly, deeply, truly, and without reservation.

"SNAPS" to her, and to you for supporting her. : D

I permitted my daughter to attend her end of high school dance etc .(2008)
7 months later we were both selected to partake in a drama and I also had a DC [RC] part on the same DC- some arse-hole complained that I had done this - re the dance [he actually wanted his daughter to have the part on this Drama ] and I received a phone call one night from the CO - 2 weeks before the DC telling me that both my daughter and I had been summarily removed from the drama and that my 15 min assignment on the DC would be handled by A.N. Other - My elder body knew that I had permitted her to attend the Prom and had not seen any issue in the matter ........???
My daughter subsequently removed herself from the Borg and interestingly another sister who was her counterpart in this Drama, DA-ed about 4 months later !
I still have a punch in the teeth lined up for the arse-hole in question - It will happen one day !!!

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Critical Thinking-is that phrase a stigma?

by PaintedToeNail in

jw
friends

when i first heard the term 'critical thinking' it was as a teenager during a watchtower study.

the study went on to elaborate how we shouldn't be swayed by critical thinking.

there was no explanation that the term didn't mean 'to criticize' thoughts and words, but rather that it means 'to objective think and to evaluate thoughts and words'.

talesin

Fantastic thread!
Thanks for starting it.
Critical thinking skills mean one is being 'analytical' or constructively looking at all information.
We use critical thinking skills each day as we are bombarded by media and advertising.
We use it when shopping at a store. If we didn't, we would all drink soft drink and think it is healthy because the bottle says so....etc...
The society has stigmatised the expression to make it a negative thing.
The suggestions in the opening post about using different terms is a great one! That breaks down the barriers that a witness puts up...

Well said, SIAR2. It's a term that has become standard in JW-speak. I wish to add my personal opinion on this matter, and hope that no one finds it offensive.

Trigger phrases are not useful when attempting to de-program cult victims, and in fact, by their very nature, are destructive to any meaningful dialogue with a 'believer'. Critical thinking is applied to many parts of our lives (as SIAR2 stated in her/his post). Lack of education, and brainwashing by the cult, definitely inhibits critical thinking - it's important to realize that many JWs employ this skill in their everyday lives in other areas that have nothing to do with religion.

I would speculate that this is especially true in cases of JWS who are still in the cult because of family. It seems to me that many of these folk have not examined their belief system beyond a superficial level, compared to [rest of] the 'world". Protection from harmful practices such as addiiction (and I must pause at this moment to metaphorically clear my throat *cough cough* alcohol *cough cough*) and sinful, TIGHT PANTS *grins* are ridiculously overblown, and this, along with the protection of pedophiles, may be the way by which many people see TTATT.

When the 'cult personality' is triggered, all reason flies out the window. If we employ this term, 'critical thinking' as a label on all JWS, and infer that all JWS never use critical thinking, then we could be pushing some lurkers away, at their very first contact. Consider this: In a roundabout way, we are telling them "You are incapable of any reason or logic, and essentially, stupid." Is that the message we want to send to those who are seeking truth, and may be fragile, especially when they are clearly at the risk of losing their families?

Food for thought. : )

Edit,,, and food is a wonderful thing!

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78 to go and hopefully something good comes of it. Please do your part and sign up. Thanks

by Tenacious in

only 78 signatures are needed in order to send the request to the irs that they revoke or at the very least investigate the borg.

come'on guys, support it.. click here to support and sign up!.

talesin

Rec'd this email from an exJW relative this afternoon (I sent your link yesterday, and they signed it already, but more).

"I forwarded your info on the IRS stuff..........to the [redacted] group I am on, with 200+ members. They are going to jump aboard too........."

Maybe a few more by tomorrow!

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Panama Papers - Watchtower

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

the panama papers have just become available,.

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org.

happy hunting........ after 30 secs hunting.. 'jehovah jireh ltd' came up with british virgin islands and singapore connections.

talesin

No, ILoveTTATT2, it is the correct address to answer the query in this thread by Londo about Jah-Jireh.

I've already researched the link from the OP, but thanks anyway. ; )

Isn't there a Jehovah Jireh retirement home run by the son of a deceased GB member?

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78 to go and hopefully something good comes of it. Please do your part and sign up. Thanks

by Tenacious in

only 78 signatures are needed in order to send the request to the irs that they revoke or at the very least investigate the borg.

come'on guys, support it.. click here to support and sign up!.

talesin

Signed and bumping.

Oh, the horror! I used "it's" instead of "its", and there's no "Edit" button ....

The Jehovah's Witness cult is a religious front for a corporation. Historically, it's dealings have focussed on publishing and real estate, with more recent investments in hedge funds. They encourage their members to rely on government support such as food stamps and welfare, so that they can devote more time to 'slaving for Jehovah'. Here is one scam the IRS needs to investigate: when disaster strikes, the Jehovah's Witness corporation sends 'volunteers' to help members rebuild their homes. Of course, the member is expected to file claims with insurance and/or Government disaster relief, and turn any monies received over to their pastor as donations. Also, look into the construction of their Kingdom Halls. They loan the money to the local parish, whose congregates pay interest on said loan. Once the loan is paid off, the congregation 'donates' the building to the Jehovah's Witness corporation. That sounds very sketchy to me. How about you? That is not to mention the destruction of families and hiding of pedophiles. You are the IRS, follow the money! You took down Al Capone, you can destroy this heinous cult. Lead the way, America, and perhaps the rest of the Western World will follow.

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Panama Papers - Watchtower

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

the panama papers have just become available,.

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org.

happy hunting........ after 30 secs hunting.. 'jehovah jireh ltd' came up with british virgin islands and singapore connections.

talesin

http://www.jah-jireh.org/

Jah Jireh (Charity) Homes

Our sole purpose is to provide loving, spiritual and physical care for those in the community of Jehovah’s Witnesses who find themselves needing to be cared for by others, due to old age or infirmity.

…to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation…
JAMES 1:27

Surroundings where personal beliefs and preferences are understood and respected.
Spiritual comfort, encouragement and support.
Spiritual focus based on scriptural principles throughout the arrangement.
Provisions available to attend all meetings, assemblies and conventions - with alternative arrangments available for those unable to attend.

IMPORTANT NOTICE

Many of you will be aware, via the news media, of the financial demise of the care system in Britain exacerbated by the new living wage.

Jah-Jireh, as a charity, is not immune from this financial crisis. However we are confident that by means of our donation and legacy arrangements, Jehovah will continue to provide for those of his elderly and faithful servants who are in need of care. To those of you who make regular and other donations, we say, on behalf of our elderly ones, and from the bottom of our hearts:

THANK YOU - RUTH 2:12

Jah–Jireh is a registered charity in which Jehovah’s Witnesses care for elderly and infirm Jehovah’s Witnesses in a loving spiritual environment.

Jah-Jireh is a completely separate charity to “Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society of Britain”

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The Congregational Make Up Research Project: WTB&TS wants to know you.

by oppostate in

we have a bethel speaker on the english side.

they're pretty regular up here since it's only three and a half hours drive from nyc.. but this is a special kind of visit.. it turns out he's involved in doing a special research project and the christian congregation of jw's wants to know us better.. in order for the broadcasting to address issues more meaningful for families, they want to know the demographic make up of the congregations.. he spoke with the secretary about young single publishers and couples 20-35 y.o.

how are they employed.

talesin

who still identifies himself as working at Patterson

Hedmano Replicante and his girlfriend (former Bethelite) in Patterson.

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Panama Papers - Watchtower

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

the panama papers have just become available,.

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org.

happy hunting........ after 30 secs hunting.. 'jehovah jireh ltd' came up with british virgin islands and singapore connections.

talesin

Previous thread about the Jehovah-Jireh retirement homes ...

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/273115/retirement-complex-older-jws-built

SAHS, the link in your first comment didn't work, can you check it? Thanks.