kokyong (seriously?) ............. please, please take your meds! I have lost 3 friends to this serious and debilitating illness. Much love to you!
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Mental Disorders among JW's
by Blackfalcon98 inhi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.
do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.
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Mental Disorders among JW's
by Blackfalcon98 inhi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.
do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.
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Enzo - The term I see most frequently used in English is MI for Mental Illness (at least, among the general public). Language can sometimes be problematic, as we are an international community. :))
Now, do you know about cognitive dissonance? A short primer can be found here: http://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html
Here's the intro, and how Festinger first got thinking about CD -- surprise, a CULT!
Cognitive dissonance refers to a situation involving conflicting attitudes, beliefs or behaviors.
This produces a feeling of discomfort leading to an alteration in one of the attitudes, beliefs or behaviors to reduce the discomfort and restore balance etc.
For example, when people smoke (behavior) and they know that smoking causes cancer (cognition).
Festinger's (1957) cognitive dissonance theory suggests that we have an inner drive to hold all our attitudes and beliefs in harmony and avoid disharmony (or dissonance).
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Cognitive dissonance was first investigated by Leon Festinger, arising out of a participant observation study of a cult which believed that the earth was going to be destroyed by a flood, and what happened to its members — particularly the really committed ones who had given up their homes and jobs to work for the cult — when the flood did not happen.
While fringe members were more inclined to recognize that they had made fools of themselves and to "put it down to experience", committed members were more likely to re-interpret the evidence to show that they were right all along (the earth was not destroyed because of the faithfulness of the cult members).
Okay, if a cult member is experiencing cognitive dissonance, they are open to depression in a big way. Their logic is constantly at odds with their feelings. They see reality, but their religion, their very way of life, denies it. This is mental illness. This leads to depression.
On a personal anecdotal note, I can remember my mother telling me, through the 90s and early 00s, about how this sister and that one, is on Prozac or some other SSRI. She herself has been taking anti-depressants for years.
The happiest people on earth? I think not.
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HOW A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS participated in one of the great art FRAUDS of the 20th century
by Terry inhttp://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/oct/26/art-fraud-margaret-walter-keane-tim-burton-biopic.
excerpt:.
"theres a sweet, small suburban house in the vineyards of napa, northern california.
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new hope, I too am a HUGE fan. They vie in my heart with BOA and Little Feat for the best Southern fried rock band EVER! :D I am actually old enough that I *had* the original Street Survivors album back in the day, but my ex got the collection in the amicable divorce. It was rightfully his.
As for the "Four Davids", and whether homages are accepted in music, well, hmmmm .....
John Lennon Rock'n'Roll is an homage.
Tower of Song, homage to Leonard Cohen by various artists including Billy Joel, Don Henley, The Cheiftains and other great artists/bands.
Oh yeah, and the Chieftains do an homage to Johnny Cash (he sings in their version of the Long Black Veil **ahem**)
Those are just the cassettes I own, but I'm also thinking of "Roll Over Beethoven" an homage to Beethoven that actually uses the music of his famous symphony.
Music has been my life's theme! :P
So, I've watched the youtube video vid (and how cool is THAT? Being a Lynyrd Skynyrd fan all my life, despite their tiff with the god Neil Young, and I did not know this).
The artist is perfectly honest in that is an homage (a tetraptych, with each piece done in the style of a famous painter ). It sure is accepted in the music world, as long as it's an homage, and not a rip-off of another arists's work while calling it your own (ie plagiarism or copyright infringement, or whatever the legal term is.
Manyartists are multi-talented, and able to cross over to other right-brain fields of endeavour with the greatest of ease.
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Do you remember the 15 minute break at the Sun. meeting?
by 3rdgen ina poster on another thread reminded me of when there was a 15 min.
break between the talk and the wt study on sundays.
the break was supposed to be to allow jw's time to drive their bible studys home from the talk.
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What are Cola cubes, Hamsterbait? :D
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Do you remember the 15 minute break at the Sun. meeting?
by 3rdgen ina poster on another thread reminded me of when there was a 15 min.
break between the talk and the wt study on sundays.
the break was supposed to be to allow jw's time to drive their bible studys home from the talk.
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(Magwitch) I am so proud of us! We made it through, and still sane. xo
(3rdGen) I KNOW, treats! Imagine that .... wow. Yeah, some days I feel like saying "incubator", but she's outta my life now and I mainly feel pity. Your anger is much appreciated - that little kid inside of me is smiling and feeling protected. xo
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Marilyn Penton passes
by designs ini saw in the periodical the new creation that jim penton's family lost marilyn, ontario canada, july 23rd, 2014.. jim has written some excellent authoritative works on the history of the watchtower.. condolences.
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I've had the pleasure of Dr. Penton on my facebook, and he is a lovely person.
Sincerest condolences on his loss.
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Yes, new hope, I would say so.
There is a big difference, though, between accepting a person as they are, no judging .......... and choosing to put up with their shyte!
You can love and accept someone, and not judge them, and still choose to avoid their company, which may be destructive, abusive, or just not your cup of tea. That's my philosophy on life.
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That was cruel, Londo
Bloody earworms ............
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Would you convert to a religion for love?
by new hope and happiness ini am sure people convery to a religion to find peace and spiritual awakening.
i also bet many convert simply for love.
would you to assist " true love" if it required converting to a particular faith?.
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Actually, new hope, those are the two religions I find the 'least' offensive. And of course, being a Jew is embracing a culture, not just a religion. Many Unorthodox Jews are not very different from church-on-Sunday Christians on the scale of 'devout'. At this point, though, 20+ years later, I could not do it.
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Watchtower encouraging members to go and preach in Israel
by wannaexit inan odd letter was read at last nights' meeting.
it was in regards to a special campaign for next year arranged by the governing body to go and preach in israel.
the call is going out to anybody that speaks hebrew and english.
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Yeah, I wouldn't be going to Israel. My little fantasy of "Eretz Israel" was shattered when my friend arrived back in Canada. Luckily, it was only a 'flesh wound'.
I remember when friends where in Ivory Coast and Liberia. The one in Liberia had to come home quickly, it was a real 'hot spot'. The b'Org really cares nothing for their people.
They are only getting bad pubilcity atm re the sex abuse scandals, so are looking for a way to appear holy, I guess. Imagine the fundy Xtians in the south - look at the JWS, going to help those JEWS!tal