Posts by talesin

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Any former elders brains I could pick?

by BarelyThere in

jw
friends

i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

i was dfed back in september for adultery.

talesin

smiddy, I do think of him, and yes, I hear you. I am taking the OP at her word, though. Her family (first) gave her no advice, help, and trust me, I know exactly how that feels at her age. It's hard to explain, if you were a good little JW gurl like me. "Don't come home to us for help - we will always take your husband's side. YOU are the difficult one". Oh, yes, even though he was worldly. You may have no idea how it can be, how cruel (or you may *smile*). She also says this,

Now, I didn't conspire to "put away my mate." I was unhappy and worked on my marriage and got nothing in return. I regret that I have to say that I had an affair but I turned my time and attention to someone else.

I think that it's a bad choice in RL (real life),but in the cult, sometimes cheating is the only way to get out of a very bad marriage (even when you are being beaten black and blue, let alone 'just being unhappy and dreading the rest of your life'. And if the OP did it before kids were involved, I say, 'you made the best choice you had at the time ... now, don't f*ck it up and compound the error of choosing to be a JW again".

To husband, I say, if you are reading, you can be part of the forum. We will support you as well. Perhaps you can learn TTATT and the two of you can heal whatever wounds have been created. I'm sorry for your pain - it's not your fault, that lies squarely on the Organization. xx tal

PS: Shadow - spot on to both comments. xx

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Any former elders brains I could pick?

by BarelyThere in

jw
friends

i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

i was dfed back in september for adultery.

talesin

Sorry, I was just reading threads, and realized after posting, you were looking for help from former/current elders. I'll leave the comment, and also. TheListener - you remind me of my one support on the JC (RIP Georgie, killed by the drink at a young age). He was kind and wise, but came from a powerful JW family, had zero say in any decisions, and could not escape his heritage of money and elderhood. He finally "Left Las Vegaa". That is good advice, and the young woman (girl) that I was back then, sends you a warm thank you! Wish I had that kind of support many years ago. xx tal PS. okay, my eyes are moistening, ahem ! enough of that. To the OP, things will work out, you've done well, just breathe! xx

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Any former elders brains I could pick?

by BarelyThere in

jw
friends

i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

i was dfed back in september for adultery.

talesin

You have not mentioned kids, so if there are none, well, you tried to work on it. I hear your frustration, and also a certain amount of naivete. Yes, you were rushed into a bad choice at 19. You made choices that had dire consequences.

What happened then? It's called 'arrested development'. You need some time on your own, to discover who you are. To learn how to use logic and reason, instead of ruling with your emotions. Take a deep breath, put the single brother on hold (SERIOUSLY? don't even go there - from the frying pan directly into the fire - smh, you have a lot to learn).

Do some reading here, elsewhere, listen to music, read a book, clear your head. Then, begin to think through the rest of your life.

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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

talesin

OC said,

Well, those WT lawyers might be getting a rude awakening soon...along with all the Canadian elders who listened to them for advice. And anyone else who was aware that there were child abuse allegations in the congregations and didn't report it. Legally, it is not up to the victim or family to report - it is anyone who has knowledge of it.

As a trained crisis interventionist, who worked on a rape crisis line, I can state FOR SURE that what OC quoted above, and earlier, is the truth across Canada. This does not vary from province-to-province. Although few people have ever been charged, ALL ADULTS who have knowledge of child neglect/abuse are require to report, and can be charged criminally for failure to do so. (If you doubt this, consult a lawyer or the RCMP; that's who trained us, along with therapists and such, and I have the paperwork somewhere.)

The courts and Crown may choose to hold those in positions of authority with children, such as church officials, scout leaders, teachers, hockey coaches (you catch my drift) to a standard of higher accountability, but we ALL have a duty to report. The end. tal

EDIT: As Rape Crisis line workers, we also had a duty to inform the child (as soon as we determined it was such) and immediately call 9-1-1 and have the police to the residence. FYI

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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

talesin

Thank you for posting this, OC. I don't read news often so, didn't know. Yes, Canada needs a Royal Commission - one that is not going after a politician - people would get behind this. The ARC is a good example to follow, and like I said, people are bored with political corruption. We need something to once again make the press WAKE UP, for the sake of the children.

I had a 'boyfriend' @ 16YO in Marystown, which is on the Peninsula, and good friends in St. John's. It is sad to think of any of those people being involved, but who knows?

CSA was rampant here during my youth - I know of two (blood) sisters who were raped by a Special Pioneer, the one he got pregnant (15) was DF, he was transferred out west. Another two cases in another local congo. And I learned about 5 years ago (ran into him in the store, we had beers together - once) that a guy I grew up with is a pedo.

Then our own Kwin, whose father's family I boarded with, and he still lives here, who was also molested (older threads tell his tale of exposing the WT on Global News, and we did a little 'signage campaign' during the DC (mwah haha) that got covered on the news as well.

So, i think there are lots of folks who would 'come out of the woodwork' if we had our own RC.

Thanks for posting, I'm off to look it up online! xx tal

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Parallel holidays

by Clambake in

so my wife congregation had a huge wing ding on jan. 2 complete with live band / food dancing and alcohol.

yet her company had a yearend party on nov. 15 which she couldn’t go to because it could be perceived as a christmas party.

i am supposed to be worried that the third century church set up a parallel festival with the winter solace to try and get pagans to convert to christianity but they pull crap like this ?

talesin

I got a 'grading gift'. ie, at the end of the school year, a reward. haha, I would have had the living daylights beaten out of me if my report card wasn't straight A's. I guess that's a reason to celebrate? *guffaw* Anyhow, it was always an utilitarian 'gift', like a new Bible or a coat. There wasn't much 'fun' about it.

And I love your way of inclusion with the whole family celebrating anniversary and getting gifts, FTS - I always wondered why the only celebration and gifts were for parents' anniversary, and nothing else. Though it IS a big accomplishment to stay married. *j/k*

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Any William Miller Scholars out there?

by neverendingjourney in

for those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the adventist preacher william miller.

see this chart:.

if you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years).

talesin

Link to the Introductory Essay on the authors' blog ... hope it's helpful. I think it would be an interesting read.

http://truthhistory.blogspot.ca/2014/02/final-draft-title-page-copyright-page.html

PS. Not a Millerite scholar, but have read Penton's first 2 books, and more on Russel. Fascinating stuff, when you start digging around the 'net.

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Why continue to suffer??

by Tigerlove in

jw
friends

i occasionally come on this website because i have my eyes on a particular user.

because of that, i end up reading a lot of people's post.

although very interesting and hurt breaking, a lot of them are very strange.

talesin

Tigerlove

unless you want him to know who you are, would suggest you edit that last comment - you have 30 minutes to edit.

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David Bowie

by smiddy in

i just heard the news david bowie has died ,so sad .

rip d,b, .

smiddy .

talesin

Let's see if this live version will post, Flipper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d-4-ySCiv0

RIP ... I grew up on his music ... what a great loss.

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Parallel holidays

by Clambake in

so my wife congregation had a huge wing ding on jan. 2 complete with live band / food dancing and alcohol.

yet her company had a yearend party on nov. 15 which she couldn’t go to because it could be perceived as a christmas party.

i am supposed to be worried that the third century church set up a parallel festival with the winter solace to try and get pagans to convert to christianity but they pull crap like this ?

talesin

Well, it's only fair to give the young people 'something' -- at this time of year, they are on school holidays, and after all, seeing all the worldly people participate in Satan's disgusting holidays! They need to know that there can be FUN in being a Witless!

(just kidding, of course, but there is a grain of truth in that - they want to give them a little sumpin-sumpin, because it's hard watching the whole rest of the world having a great Xmas, when you are not allowed - and it's the young ones who are leaving in droves)

Bloody hypocrites!