Posts by talesin

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

talesin

I have nothing to prove to you, Cofty, and have no wish to engage in one of your twisted battles of semantics. You are the one who used a statistic that is almost 20 years old, and deliberately stated that I was not reading the bar graph correctly, with its coincidental "7%". You are the person whose "use of the statistics is very misleading".

No, you cannot browbeat me into submission. You, who respects some Bishop as an honest man (when every believer on this board is labelled by you as 'intellectually dishonest'). You, who claims that people are threatening him via PM, when in fact, they are not. You, who sneers at philosophy, yet yells "Socratic Method" to the rooftops. No, I shall not waste my time, because you have 'thrown down the gauntlet'. You've already lost any challenge, you're too easy.

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Jehovahs Witnesses and the Curse of Music.

by donny in

jehovahs witnesses and the curse of music.. .

i was inspired to write this after listening to a recent podcast of the thinking atheist by seth andrews.

as many of you know, seth was a devout christian who not only loved contemporary christian music but was one of the hosts of a popular morning show on kxoj in tulsa, oklahoma in the 1990s.

talesin

Now, I don't know if it is different here in the UK-but I have been told by the elders, metal and the like IS advised against, but it is how it personally affects YOU that it the issue. If it makes you happy, and is not blatantly evil, like black metal, there is no issue-however, if it plays on your mind a lot and makes you depressed, then it is bad.
...
I also vape-I do not use nicotine anymore, and the Elders and other witnesses think they are great, and see no issue with that either-

This is a part of their 'love-bombing'. Once you are baptized, and pledge to obey the Governing Body, they will have a tighter leash on you. Sure, you can listen to 'unapproved music', you can vape - these are what they call 'conscience matters'. BUT, if they disapprove (and something tells me they may), you will be considered bad association and well, let the shunning begin!

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what buzz word from the jw's do you hate & why?

by Sabin in

jw
friends

so my hubby has been on a bit of a roll about the jdubs, we were talking a lot about them & he said the buzz word he hate's the most is "worldly" why?

because he say's "with that one word they have condemned (according to their believes) a person as being worthy of nothing but death.

".

talesin

"Keep your eyes on the prize."

I find it particularly galling to find this is a term that the Xtian Fundies have picked up, so we hear it on TV and other places. *pukes*

Then, there's,

get-togethers

the Truth

"fleshly" sister or brother (why can't they say 'blood' like normal people?)

imperfect men

worldlings

unevenly yoked

like Unky Punky, I never heard "Mother", but it reeks

theocratic arrangement

brazen

this old system of things

Jehovah's happy people (most of whom are on anti-depressants)

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I dont know how i can leave my family!

by BlackWolf in

jw
friends

my mom and i were talking today about how next summer i will be 18 and she said that just thinking about it might make her cry.

that made me think about how much more it would hurt her if i quit being a jw.

i really do love my parents, i know they are just being cruelly manipulated by a cult and that they really think they are doing what is best for me.

talesin

Hi black wolf.When you turn 18... Just stop attending meetings and door knocking....and wait for your parents to make the first move. Then react accordingly. What do you really think they I'll do about it....kick you out of your home?

Stan, I know it's hard to wrap your head around it, but that's exactly what may happen. :'(

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I dont know how i can leave my family!

by BlackWolf in

jw
friends

my mom and i were talking today about how next summer i will be 18 and she said that just thinking about it might make her cry.

that made me think about how much more it would hurt her if i quit being a jw.

i really do love my parents, i know they are just being cruelly manipulated by a cult and that they really think they are doing what is best for me.

talesin

Hi, BW. I had that talk with my mother, just after I turned 18. And yes, she gave me the boot for not believing. She even had me DF a few years later.

Bide your time, and you're not baptized, right? Maybe they will let you stay at home, if you keep a low profile about your issues with the religion.

You're being home-schooled, if I recall? Are you getting the proper curriculum, and will you graduate? If I were you, I would focus on getting the most out of my schoolwork that I could right now, and staying underneath the radar with the religion. Try not to get mom too worked up.

Now, the possibility of being 18, and on your own. It can be done, and especially if you are healthy, and determined, you'll be okay. You also have the support of this community, which is HUGE.

Don't live in fear of what may happen. Prepare for the worst-case scenario, and hope for the best. Be realistic, and know that you have the right to your own life. The happiness of your mother is NOT your responsibility - you are your OWN PERSON, and she has no right to selfishly live her dreams through you.

I'm happy you came to the forum for support - you can do this! xx tal

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umbertoecho re the ARC

by umbertoecho in

hello to everyone.. i hope you are all well and sorting things out between yourselves.

i have temporary internet access which is probably a good thing for now.

i have been contacted by the arc in a respectful and loving manner today.

talesin

So proud of you for continuing this ordeal, and with such humility and courage. Thank you for being such an example to the WORLD. Here's a visual to remind you that not only the ARC supports you, but thousands of us, all over the globe. xx tal

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Canada zone visit March 2016

by Richard_I in

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friends

canada's getting a zone visit in march 2016, but no mention of who's doing the visit.

praying it's anthony morris and we get our own tight pants talk.

talesin

OC, I wouldn't have thought of that, but it's very likely.

________________________________________________________________

Found this meme ............ : P

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JWs at Rolling Stones Concert!

by Atlantis in

was this done for an advertising stunt?

received this in an email.. ------------------------------------------------.

.. a few days ago in porto alegre there was a rolling stones concert.

talesin

John Mann, I never thought I would see the day ....... JWS set up at an Iron Maiden concert! hahaha, tks for sharing.

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Canada zone visit March 2016

by Richard_I in

jw
friends

canada's getting a zone visit in march 2016, but no mention of who's doing the visit.

praying it's anthony morris and we get our own tight pants talk.

talesin

Nunavut is the new destination for 'need is greater's ? What are they thinking, those poor, brainwashed suckers. At 17, I thought Moncton was cold and dreary, and after one winter there, became a mentally diseased apostate. Going to the land of the midnight sun to preach? It boggles the mind.

And families supporting them - it is hella expensive, even in a big 'city' like Yellowknife, for stuff we take for granted. The more I think about it, the crazier it seems. SMDH

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

talesin

Re: Intellectual Honesty

I've found the earlier-posted bar chart. It's from a Pew Research Center study:.

The NAS 7% has nothing to do with this chart (ie, the figure is coincidental), and is a somewhat outdated figure from 1998.

Link: http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

"A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public.1 Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006. Specifically, more than eight-in-ten Americans (83%) say they believe in God and 12% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view.
Religious belief
Source: Scientists data from Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey, conducted in May and June 2009; for complete question wording, see survey topline. General public data from Pew Research Center survey conducted in July 2006; for complete question wording, see survey topline. Numbers may not sum to 100 due to rounding."