Posts by talesin

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Baptized niece crowned prom queen. Could her dad loose his MS appt?

by StarTrekAngel in

so my niece (not thru my brother but rather my wife) had been talking about going to her prom.

the family had privately been somewhat doubtful that she would be allowed to go.

the problem was that they kept promising she would be allowed but history has shown us that her parents tend to get her excited about things and then drop the denial on her at the last minute.

talesin

Your daughter is lucky to have you as a parent. Screw the elders - as Oscar Wilde said, "The best revenge is to live life well." Leave the WTS behind, enjoy freedom, and never look back. Let her know that 'it's okay to be YOU'............. love her madly, deeply, truly, and without reservation.

"SNAPS" to her, and to you for supporting her. : D

I permitted my daughter to attend her end of high school dance etc .(2008)
7 months later we were both selected to partake in a drama and I also had a DC [RC] part on the same DC- some arse-hole complained that I had done this - re the dance [he actually wanted his daughter to have the part on this Drama ] and I received a phone call one night from the CO - 2 weeks before the DC telling me that both my daughter and I had been summarily removed from the drama and that my 15 min assignment on the DC would be handled by A.N. Other - My elder body knew that I had permitted her to attend the Prom and had not seen any issue in the matter ........???
My daughter subsequently removed herself from the Borg and interestingly another sister who was her counterpart in this Drama, DA-ed about 4 months later !
I still have a punch in the teeth lined up for the arse-hole in question - It will happen one day !!!

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Critical Thinking-is that phrase a stigma?

by PaintedToeNail in

jw
friends

when i first heard the term 'critical thinking' it was as a teenager during a watchtower study.

the study went on to elaborate how we shouldn't be swayed by critical thinking.

there was no explanation that the term didn't mean 'to criticize' thoughts and words, but rather that it means 'to objective think and to evaluate thoughts and words'.

talesin

Fantastic thread!
Thanks for starting it.
Critical thinking skills mean one is being 'analytical' or constructively looking at all information.
We use critical thinking skills each day as we are bombarded by media and advertising.
We use it when shopping at a store. If we didn't, we would all drink soft drink and think it is healthy because the bottle says so....etc...
The society has stigmatised the expression to make it a negative thing.
The suggestions in the opening post about using different terms is a great one! That breaks down the barriers that a witness puts up...

Well said, SIAR2. It's a term that has become standard in JW-speak. I wish to add my personal opinion on this matter, and hope that no one finds it offensive.

Trigger phrases are not useful when attempting to de-program cult victims, and in fact, by their very nature, are destructive to any meaningful dialogue with a 'believer'. Critical thinking is applied to many parts of our lives (as SIAR2 stated in her/his post). Lack of education, and brainwashing by the cult, definitely inhibits critical thinking - it's important to realize that many JWs employ this skill in their everyday lives in other areas that have nothing to do with religion.

I would speculate that this is especially true in cases of JWS who are still in the cult because of family. It seems to me that many of these folk have not examined their belief system beyond a superficial level, compared to [rest of] the 'world". Protection from harmful practices such as addiiction (and I must pause at this moment to metaphorically clear my throat *cough cough* alcohol *cough cough*) and sinful, TIGHT PANTS *grins* are ridiculously overblown, and this, along with the protection of pedophiles, may be the way by which many people see TTATT.

When the 'cult personality' is triggered, all reason flies out the window. If we employ this term, 'critical thinking' as a label on all JWS, and infer that all JWS never use critical thinking, then we could be pushing some lurkers away, at their very first contact. Consider this: In a roundabout way, we are telling them "You are incapable of any reason or logic, and essentially, stupid." Is that the message we want to send to those who are seeking truth, and may be fragile, especially when they are clearly at the risk of losing their families?

Food for thought. : )

Edit,,, and food is a wonderful thing!

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78 to go and hopefully something good comes of it. Please do your part and sign up. Thanks

by Tenacious in

only 78 signatures are needed in order to send the request to the irs that they revoke or at the very least investigate the borg.

come'on guys, support it.. click here to support and sign up!.

talesin

Rec'd this email from an exJW relative this afternoon (I sent your link yesterday, and they signed it already, but more).

"I forwarded your info on the IRS stuff..........to the [redacted] group I am on, with 200+ members. They are going to jump aboard too........."

Maybe a few more by tomorrow!

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Panama Papers - Watchtower

by snare&racket in

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friends

the panama papers have just become available,.

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org.

happy hunting........ after 30 secs hunting.. 'jehovah jireh ltd' came up with british virgin islands and singapore connections.

talesin

No, ILoveTTATT2, it is the correct address to answer the query in this thread by Londo about Jah-Jireh.

I've already researched the link from the OP, but thanks anyway. ; )

Isn't there a Jehovah Jireh retirement home run by the son of a deceased GB member?

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78 to go and hopefully something good comes of it. Please do your part and sign up. Thanks

by Tenacious in

only 78 signatures are needed in order to send the request to the irs that they revoke or at the very least investigate the borg.

come'on guys, support it.. click here to support and sign up!.

talesin

Signed and bumping.

Oh, the horror! I used "it's" instead of "its", and there's no "Edit" button ....

The Jehovah's Witness cult is a religious front for a corporation. Historically, it's dealings have focussed on publishing and real estate, with more recent investments in hedge funds. They encourage their members to rely on government support such as food stamps and welfare, so that they can devote more time to 'slaving for Jehovah'. Here is one scam the IRS needs to investigate: when disaster strikes, the Jehovah's Witness corporation sends 'volunteers' to help members rebuild their homes. Of course, the member is expected to file claims with insurance and/or Government disaster relief, and turn any monies received over to their pastor as donations. Also, look into the construction of their Kingdom Halls. They loan the money to the local parish, whose congregates pay interest on said loan. Once the loan is paid off, the congregation 'donates' the building to the Jehovah's Witness corporation. That sounds very sketchy to me. How about you? That is not to mention the destruction of families and hiding of pedophiles. You are the IRS, follow the money! You took down Al Capone, you can destroy this heinous cult. Lead the way, America, and perhaps the rest of the Western World will follow.

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Panama Papers - Watchtower

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

the panama papers have just become available,.

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org.

happy hunting........ after 30 secs hunting.. 'jehovah jireh ltd' came up with british virgin islands and singapore connections.

talesin

http://www.jah-jireh.org/

Jah Jireh (Charity) Homes

Our sole purpose is to provide loving, spiritual and physical care for those in the community of Jehovah’s Witnesses who find themselves needing to be cared for by others, due to old age or infirmity.

…to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation…
JAMES 1:27

Surroundings where personal beliefs and preferences are understood and respected.
Spiritual comfort, encouragement and support.
Spiritual focus based on scriptural principles throughout the arrangement.
Provisions available to attend all meetings, assemblies and conventions - with alternative arrangments available for those unable to attend.

IMPORTANT NOTICE

Many of you will be aware, via the news media, of the financial demise of the care system in Britain exacerbated by the new living wage.

Jah-Jireh, as a charity, is not immune from this financial crisis. However we are confident that by means of our donation and legacy arrangements, Jehovah will continue to provide for those of his elderly and faithful servants who are in need of care. To those of you who make regular and other donations, we say, on behalf of our elderly ones, and from the bottom of our hearts:

THANK YOU - RUTH 2:12

Jah–Jireh is a registered charity in which Jehovah’s Witnesses care for elderly and infirm Jehovah’s Witnesses in a loving spiritual environment.

Jah-Jireh is a completely separate charity to “Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society of Britain”

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The Congregational Make Up Research Project: WTB&TS wants to know you.

by oppostate in

we have a bethel speaker on the english side.

they're pretty regular up here since it's only three and a half hours drive from nyc.. but this is a special kind of visit.. it turns out he's involved in doing a special research project and the christian congregation of jw's wants to know us better.. in order for the broadcasting to address issues more meaningful for families, they want to know the demographic make up of the congregations.. he spoke with the secretary about young single publishers and couples 20-35 y.o.

how are they employed.

talesin

who still identifies himself as working at Patterson

Hedmano Replicante and his girlfriend (former Bethelite) in Patterson.

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Panama Papers - Watchtower

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

the panama papers have just become available,.

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org.

happy hunting........ after 30 secs hunting.. 'jehovah jireh ltd' came up with british virgin islands and singapore connections.

talesin

Previous thread about the Jehovah-Jireh retirement homes ...

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/273115/retirement-complex-older-jws-built

SAHS, the link in your first comment didn't work, can you check it? Thanks.

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It is now official: Another falsified Watchtower prophecy

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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friends

"jesus was obviously speaking about those who were old enough to witness with understanding what took place when the 'last days' began.

... even if we presume that youngsters 15 years of age would be perceptive enough to realize the import of what happened in 1914, it would still make the youngest of 'this generation' nearly 70 years old today.

" awake!

talesin

Even if we presume that youngsters 15 years of age would be perceptive enough to realize the import of what happened in 1914

Not to mention that they baptize children much younger. My own father was baptized at the age of 12, and that was in the 1940s.

They have contradicted themselves so many times over the past 100 years, it's enough to make your head swim trying to keep track!

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I`m on Windows 10 and my mouse keeps dying , any suggestions ? what to do ?

by smiddy in

hi friends.. as the op states lately my mouse keeps dying on me while i`m in the middle of typing a post or whatever and so i lose all that i have laboured to type.. i keep resurrecting the mouse but now it`s dying more frequently .. any suggestions on how to get around this problem , or am i flogging a dead mouse ?.

i await your suggestions.. smiddy.

talesin

Amen! Get me one too, please. : P