Posts by anotheropenviewpoint

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Why dont you leave....?

by anotheropenviewpoint in

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i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?

whats holding you back?

if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?

anotheropenviewpoint

Ok, looking for more reasons than family

If anyone knows me already, I have been DF'ed for 5 years now... and trust me the whole family deal... over-rated.

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Had a Conversation with a Young JW Lady at the Bus Stop

by Yizuman in

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there was a young blonde lady who was passing out the wt & awake magazines at the bus stop where i was waiting for the bus to go downtown..... i started having a conversation with her by starting out about charles taze russell.

i told her that of all of my readings of the works of c.t.

russell, not one time did he ever teach that jesus was michael the archangel..... so i told her about this quote....zions watchtower and herald of christs presence, their official magazine of doctrine, 1879, page 48, which is teaching on jesus christ: "...his position is contrasted with that of men and angels, as he is lord of both, having all power in heaven and earth.

anotheropenviewpoint

Yes moronic,... in sarcastic over tone of how rediculous his questions were to begin with.

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Through everything... do you feel that you learned soemthing?

by anotheropenviewpoint in

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i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.

in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.

after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.

anotheropenviewpoint

It wasn't a "belief", it was an absolute rule from Jehovah God, spoken thru and enforced by his mouthpiece on earth, the F&DS. One stood to lose his family and community and worse, his relationship with god, if one did not accept this rule. Yeah, you bet it became your belief, if you wanted to keep your world turning.

Again, BS BS BS - Whats the worst that could happen? you get DF'ed? If that - and more than likely not. Its a belief and everyone controls what they themselves want to believe. Its just like small cramped rooms, some people are clostraphobic, others are not... some people are watchtower-phobic... others are not. The ones that are not, trust in Jehovah. The ones that are, trust in the organization.

And again, the society has produced many articles on non-blood surgeries and transplants. http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2000/1/8/article_03a.htm

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Through everything... do you feel that you learned soemthing?

by anotheropenviewpoint in

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friends

i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.

in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.

after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.

anotheropenviewpoint

Sounds like someone needs to rewatch the video that they released on blood transfusion....

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD - Do you guys even pay attention or just gripe?

Again, emotional crap... looking for someone real

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Had a Conversation with a Young JW Lady at the Bus Stop

by Yizuman in

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friends

there was a young blonde lady who was passing out the wt & awake magazines at the bus stop where i was waiting for the bus to go downtown..... i started having a conversation with her by starting out about charles taze russell.

i told her that of all of my readings of the works of c.t.

russell, not one time did he ever teach that jesus was michael the archangel..... so i told her about this quote....zions watchtower and herald of christs presence, their official magazine of doctrine, 1879, page 48, which is teaching on jesus christ: "...his position is contrasted with that of men and angels, as he is lord of both, having all power in heaven and earth.

anotheropenviewpoint

Idiots Idiots Idiots.... of course she didnt know the answer to your oh so incredible question that she had no comeback to.
<loosely quoted>

Who would?

Thats like me asking someone, "did you know that Hitler, in all his glory, was only attempting to bring back the pure aryan nation" when in fact the Aryan Nations are simply the 12 tribes of Judah. Hell, everyone knows that! <sarcastically again>

She simply and kindly excused herself from you and probably told all her friends what a 'crazy luniatic' she ran into today with stuff coming out of his mouth like "Garble Garble Garble Garble"

So YEAH <HIGH FIVE> Good going there Joe Monatana, good 'effin win!

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Why dont you leave....?

by anotheropenviewpoint in

jw
friends

i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?

whats holding you back?

if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?

anotheropenviewpoint

I have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it I feel as though I have come to know some of you and your behaviors.

I notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the Hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.

I have a question for all of you who fit this description.... Why dont you just 'effin leave already? Whats holding you back? Why are you still there? If you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?

Answer me this.... Do you realize how many people's lives that YOU truely effect by not being true to yourself?

on the other hand....

Whatever it is that is holding you there... what is it? State it.

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Through everything... do you feel that you learned soemthing?

by anotheropenviewpoint in

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friends

i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.

in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.

after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.

anotheropenviewpoint

organ transplants were cannibalism, people DIED following that incorrect information

Horse Sh*t, "incorrect information"... its a belief... individuals choose to accept that belief and adapt it to their own lives how they want. If they themselves take that "belief" to heart and do not accept a trasplant, transfusion, they died believing in something and it was thier choice to do so. In all my years I have never ever ever heard of the organization saying anything about non-transplants as long as the organ was cyled of its blood thoroughly. They even give out medical documents to Doctors drawing out these proceedures.

All I am hearing is a bunch of emotional CRAP. C-R-A-P, crap.

I joined this board for various reasons, and trust me, trying to convert someone else in thier thinking is not one of them. Per my username, I am truely looking to find an individual or group of people who do have open and judgemental views that can debate a subject with facts.

Look for more of my post... I plan to stir up the whole pot!

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Through everything... do you feel that you learned soemthing?

by anotheropenviewpoint in

jw
friends

i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.

in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.

after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.

anotheropenviewpoint

Im gonna create a rucus with this one!

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Through everything... do you feel that you learned soemthing?

by anotheropenviewpoint in

jw
friends

i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.

in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.

after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.

anotheropenviewpoint

First off, I want to thank you all for taking the time to replying to my post :) <My first one at that>

I notice that many of the comments were "I would never go back"... funny, but that is not what I asked, I had simply asked if you felt that you had learned anything.To address the comment

Timeline of the bible, such as 607 bce, 1914, etc. WILDLY INNACCURATE!!!!!!!!! Most pastors EDUCATED FOR AT LEAST FOUR YEARS, dubs, very little, if at all.

Im sorry, I must not have clarified, I meant Bible Timeline, starting from Adam and Eve, to Noah, to Moses, to Israel to Jesus, to the apoostles to Revelation. I do feel that I have a good understanding of the timeline due to my studies growing up.

Now, as I had stated, I have been disfellowshipped, (and still am) for over 5 years now... so I have had quite a bit of "deprogramming" time, time to search within myself............. of course many questions still left unanswered, but I do believe that my time away has allowed me to grow immensely.

They leave out the social and emotional controls that this closed society enforce within the membership. They require that you buy the whole program. Leave your brain at the door.

Addressing this, again, I am disfellowshipped right now, no one is allowed to talk to me, so no one is telling me what to do or not do.

In my search for path, I have read many books "anti-JW" ie. "Reasoning with the Scriptures with the Jehovah's Witnesses", "Kingdom of the Cults", and Franz's books to name a few.And you know the one unified thing that I learned out of these books is ...? So 'effin what!? So what if the "prophecies" were not right, So what if they didnt get it right the first time and have changed many beliefs over time... SO 'EFFIN WHAT! I say. Because it is the ability for the people within the JW culture to adapt, be flexible, see and admit new truth when it is presented to them without a doubt. How did the whole JW org start? BIBLE STUDENTS... once anyone looses that and focuses even one ounce ont he organization itself (idonlatry) then you are no longer a student of the bible.

I tell you what though, I have been reading alot of e-watchman.com lately... valiant man... he is a good example of looking at the scriptures with a critical eye, not focusing on the organization but the word itself.

From a psychological point of view, it would be quite natural for you to "feel at home" where you were raised. I don't see a metaphysical shred in anything you have said. It's all psychological.

Psychological? Maybe. But undeniable at that. I am a psychology buff myself and through analyzing these changes over and over that have moved me to change is much, much more that psychological... true physical effects have taken place. True Power, or a filling of new power has been bestowed within me. It is a presence, walking with me. Sometimes it drifts away, and other times its closer, but it is there and it is a force with strength. I have seen the world around me completely change in the last 3 months. If it were mere psychological, then the physical characteristics of people, atmosphere and relationships would not of been able to change so vastly in such a short amount of time. Moving to say the least :)

Mind control? - FOOEY I say.... no one controls your mind but yourself. It is human nature for some to want to fit in soooo badly that they control their own minds to observe and understand thier surrondings and program themselves to think that it is a must.... but I simply do not feel that this is the intent of the organization. If you LOOK for "evidence" of mind control, youll proove to yourself all day that you found it... but I can also proove to myself that the tree outside is blue and not green.

Lets talk about Elders for a min.
Why does everyone put soooo much emphasis on the Elders? They are just men. They dont get paid. They are only trying to do thier best to serve a congregation..... none of them are "well off"... I can understand that many individucal elders or even small bodies of elders you may find are twisted or even corrupt, but did not Paul tell us that these men would exist? and can you not tell me that you have never met an elder or a servervant who is TRUELY serving the congregation out of pure love for others? I have, and these are great men.

For example, this whole child abuse issue... WTF is the Elder supposed to do about it to begin with? Tell the accused, "not to do it anymore" I mean come on now... if the accuser has a case GO TO THE 'EFFIN POLICE for gods sake.

- Looks like I have alot to say and I will save it for other discussions... but being a newbie to this board, these are some of the things that are on my mind, so thought I would share.

Any replys are appreciated :)

Stay open, Stay judgemental, even of yourself

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Through everything... do you feel that you learned soemthing?

by anotheropenviewpoint in

jw
friends

i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.

in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.

after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.

anotheropenviewpoint

I am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but I fail to find one interesting question.

In preface... I was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago. In that time, I had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months. After I felt my search was in vein I stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.

I never forgot how to pray through. I still knew that God was still there. I had a yearned to find him.

After praying for quite sometime, I felt myself drawn to attend ONE meeting back at my home congregation of JW's. I had been going to all these other churches, why not try it one more time.
I hadnt been there in quite some time. I felt overly nervous, for one of course no one was allowed to talk to me, and for two something felt strange. The song began, I stood up and began to sing under my breath, heart pumping now with nervousness as the prayer began. Prayer was over, I sat down................................................ and an utter calm came over me, as if my father was holding me and I was a little child. This peace, calm, or maybe even disallussion was unmistakable.

When I got home I prayed and prayed for HIM to show me a sign as to what I should do... which leads me to now.....

I think back....

Did I not learn more than most about the bible while I was there? Like, Birthdays... PAGAN in every encylopedia, yet most people dont even know it. Basic (to say the least) understanding of the timeline of the bible... which is more than most at churches I attended and their pastors combined.

So I ask....

Through the gripes,.... Through the pokes and making fun of....

Do you feel as though you did learn something while you were there through.... ?

Since I have been going back, I have been able (when I could not alone under any attempt) stopped smoking (cig and marijuana) stopped drinking, stopped cursing etc............ and to think that I allowed myself to fall into such depressed shame.