i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?
whats holding you back?
if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?
sf - You have said nothing and you are close minded in your own viewpoints. Frankly I am work right now and thus I cannot get on a 'mic chat' The opprotunity may arrise later though :)
I do not decline it, it will just have to be at a better time. With that, I still dont see the point... but if it entertains you....
i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.
in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.
after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.
How did you arrive at the conclusion that we haven't questioned other view points? Is it not OBVIOUS from our comprehensive posts that
Because I am seeing post where people are making statements that the WTS IS WRONG, or such viewpoints ARE WRONG... who are we to judge what is right or wrong when we ourselves do not know what we are basing our conclusions on to begin with.
i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?
whats holding you back?
if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?
Oh, no one doubts that Mr Kim... it will be an interesting future.
But, for you to claim stake as if you know and/or judge others ... that my friend is not open mindedness, and thus is the worst kind of closemindedness.
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Also to address wether or not I will make a good JW... thats not what I am looking for... again I am still DF'ed and I will decide when and where my path will take me... but if I choose to be a witness of Jehovah and rejoin that organization, at that time, it will have its meaning.
i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.
in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.
after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.
or insane maybe? LOL.
All Im trying to point out is that through questioning ourselves, and our surroundings... we want others to respect our viewpoint no matter what it is at that moment, and thus we must also respect that the "other person" (whomever you are dealing with) may have come up with thier own conclusions and or feel firm about thier conclusions in thier own way, ... and thus we must respect that.
For example, question this then, prime example. The WTS itself, individuals may argue points of that the WTS releases as belief... but how did they come up with that belief ... and thus however they have, must we not respect that they hold that belief and we our own if we want respect ourselves?
i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.
in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.
after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.
Dansk - I agree with you 100%
But the one thing that I am trying to stress to others is... dont only question the WTS, question ones self and any other view points a the same time. As many claim that they have learned from the WTS, and that they have come to another conclusion from questioning thier original view point... question it as well.
i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?
whats holding you back?
if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?
To those who say that they feel trapped...
Do you feel as though there is a god? Do you feel that that god wants you to feel trapped? Do you feel that if you trust in that god that it will deliver you through that trial?
Stay open minded, not only question your beliefs, but also question yourself to wonder why you are even questioning in the first place, what answer are you seeking.
You must know the direction that you are going in before you get there.
i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?
whats holding you back?
if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?
Amac
Then you will not make a very good JW.
Why do you say this? Explain.
SF -
At what point do you feel that you had the opprotunity to judge me or anyone else in this room? Closeminded... how so? and with what inclination have I shown such behavior?
Found this site because of you? GTF outta here! Ive never even been to such a room. I stubled accross this site when I read an article on a "bible diet" on cnn.com, and found a thread about the author of that book was expressing JW views and thus I continued reading. How stuck on yourself are you really?
Get on a mic with you? On what account, you have yet to challenge my intelligence to avail me to do such a thing.
Why am I finding myself going back now? As I stated before, through my search, this is the point where I have come to find myself, tommorow may bring something different, but as of now, I am still continuing my search, I am still DF'ed.... am I working on reinstatement... not at all... When and if I feel myself pulled to ask for such a thing I will, but not at this current moment in time. Right now, through going to many different churches and evaluating my own placement in thier beliefs, I find myself giving the KH one more chance with a different point of view, another open point of view.
i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.
in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.
after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.
Happyout - thank you for the recongnition (vs. slander) but I am, humbly contributing to the board.
Jessica Rabit - Well said.
Dansk - You make very valid and convincing points, stating timelines, quotes and more! Very impressive. But just as you have arranged these facts in a particular order to come to a specific conclusion... it seems very familiar... almost WTS. Now dont get me wrong, I am not discrediting your input by any means, it is not my place to do so.
Here is my question though - What do we base what we think we know on? Facts? Written by whom? Or is what we read or written even have anything to do with the words themselves?
And then again, maybe we should leave that for a new thought provoking thread.
i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.
in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.
after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.
I apologize if I have come accross as offensive in any measure.
Let me clarify "emotional crap"... For people to say "hey <that> is a horrible thing" based on what, emotion, perception or fact... and "fact" based on what viewpoint for explination. I believe for someone to "feel" something requires emotion, but for someone to force those feelings onto another and say that the other person is wrong per sae I believe is ethically wrong. Emotion in such statements should not be part of acusations.
i'm just wondering...... i remember going to some wedding receptions for couples who got married at the kingdom hall,.
and i hate to be mean but, super boring, and bad, how bad you ask ??
ok here we go ..... - the worst had to be one couple played kingdom meolodies for their wedding dances, i couldn't believe it.. - no alcohol (i'm sure we all experienced a few of these), reception was over by 9:30.. - no music at all, just a gathering of people, and they ended the reception with a prayer, i thought i was at an assembly.. - food, like if you can't afford to get married don't, like frozen stuff bought at your local grocery store, and still in the package when you got up to the tables, how tacky.. - you could always tell a couple who couldn't afford much, when you had to drive 50 miles into the back woods to find some dinky little community hall they rented for $100.. - i remember one where the bride was pregnant, i was really surprised they allowed them to use the kingdom hall.. - another classic was, they had this band (of all jw's of course) and man they were bad.
I have been to some nice ones and some boring ones, it really depends on the couple and what they can afford.
