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  Why dont you leave....?

  by anotheropenviewpoint in

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  i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?

  whats holding you back?

  if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?

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  anotheropenviewpoint

  Addressing many comments from the thread;

  i was thinking the same thing- to go to a place where folks Spit on you as it were- and not care if you are reinstated rings HOLLOW

  No one spits on me or looks at me funny when I am there, and if anything, various ones will nod with a smile and respect.

  And to the author of this thread - I seldom go on the attack, but you pushed my buttons. Maybe that was your intent anyway.

  Pushed buttons? I expected such a reaction from many as I am asking blatent questions, in your face type questions, open ended questions... that are veague but depending on the reciever may be interpeted differently, and thus your answers show your true colors... proving for an envigorating discussion.

  If someone dissents publicly on a JW doctrine (let's say they give a talk and say that 1914 is not the end of Gentile Times and 144,000 is not a literal number), they will be DFed and you will not be allowed to talk to them based solely on their viewpoint,

  If you were to publicly denounce a doctrine without tact, would that be respecting the viewpoint? I think not... and thus not the way to reason with a person or group of people when you put them in the defense to begin with.

  I hope you don't leave the board. It's just like any new relationship, you have to get used to us and we have to get used to you.

  Understood, and thank you... yet I do not believe that I have to put up with sharp, cutting and malicious comments. People yes will get to know me, that I have honest, forthcomming, reasonable, non-judgmental, and that I demand respect as I respect others. Again, thank you happyout.

  You can contribute to the board, but don't expect everyone to agree with you on everything everytime. Won't happen.

  In all actuality, I "expect" no one to "agree" with me... I believe this stance would be true for most on this board, as we do not look to have others "agree" with us necessarily, but only wish that someone "understand" us and respect our viewpoint as our own as we do others.

  Mr Kim... you just freak me out... maybe its just your style, but man your scarry. Its like your putting a vex on the thread or something... <scared>
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  Why dont you leave....?

  by anotheropenviewpoint in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?

  whats holding you back?

  if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?

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  anotheropenviewpoint

  Again, I am not seeking reinstatement. If it comes to that point, so be it, if not, so be it.... but I am not seeking it... so thus your question to me is irrelevant becuase it is based on you thinking that IS what I am trying to do... yet I go with no intention.
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  Why dont you leave....?

  by anotheropenviewpoint in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?

  whats holding you back?

  if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?

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  anotheropenviewpoint

  Brummie - Have I got an answer to my original post....

  Well it wasnt nesessarily a question to answer to me, but more of a question to put out there and make open to the forum.

  Sadly it seems that everyone decided to jump on ME for even posting such a thing.

  Im not quite sure how welcome I feel here. I thought that this would be a good enviorment for discussion and debate... not for ridicule. Like, wow. I thought Id contribute to the board, post thought provoking questions that may stir the pot a bit, but was not looking for personal attacks.

  Comments?
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  Why dont you leave....?

  by anotheropenviewpoint in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?

  whats holding you back?

  if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?

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  sf - You have said nothing and you are close minded in your own viewpoints. Frankly I am work right now and thus I cannot get on a 'mic chat' The opprotunity may arrise later though :)

  I do not decline it, it will just have to be at a better time. With that, I still dont see the point... but if it entertains you....
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  Through everything... do you feel that you learned soemthing?

  by anotheropenviewpoint in

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  i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.

  in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.

  after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.

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  anotheropenviewpoint

  How did you arrive at the conclusion that we haven't questioned other view points? Is it not OBVIOUS from our comprehensive posts that

  Because I am seeing post where people are making statements that the WTS IS WRONG, or such viewpoints ARE WRONG... who are we to judge what is right or wrong when we ourselves do not know what we are basing our conclusions on to begin with.
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  Why dont you leave....?

  by anotheropenviewpoint in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?

  whats holding you back?

  if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?

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  anotheropenviewpoint

  Oh, no one doubts that Mr Kim... it will be an interesting future.

  But, for you to claim stake as if you know and/or judge others ... that my friend is not open mindedness, and thus is the worst kind of closemindedness.

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  Also to address wether or not I will make a good JW... thats not what I am looking for... again I am still DF'ed and I will decide when and where my path will take me... but if I choose to be a witness of Jehovah and rejoin that organization, at that time, it will have its meaning.
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  Through everything... do you feel that you learned soemthing?

  by anotheropenviewpoint in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.

  in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.

  after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.

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  anotheropenviewpoint

  or insane maybe? LOL.

  All Im trying to point out is that through questioning ourselves, and our surroundings... we want others to respect our viewpoint no matter what it is at that moment, and thus we must also respect that the "other person" (whomever you are dealing with) may have come up with thier own conclusions and or feel firm about thier conclusions in thier own way, ... and thus we must respect that.

  For example, question this then, prime example. The WTS itself, individuals may argue points of that the WTS releases as belief... but how did they come up with that belief ... and thus however they have, must we not respect that they hold that belief and we our own if we want respect ourselves?
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  Through everything... do you feel that you learned soemthing?

  by anotheropenviewpoint in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.

  in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.

  after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.

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  anotheropenviewpoint

  Dansk - I agree with you 100%

  But the one thing that I am trying to stress to others is... dont only question the WTS, question ones self and any other view points a the same time. As many claim that they have learned from the WTS, and that they have come to another conclusion from questioning thier original view point... question it as well.
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  Why dont you leave....?

  by anotheropenviewpoint in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?

  whats holding you back?

  if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?

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  anotheropenviewpoint

  To those who say that they feel trapped...

  Do you feel as though there is a god? Do you feel that that god wants you to feel trapped? Do you feel that if you trust in that god that it will deliver you through that trial?

  Stay open minded, not only question your beliefs, but also question yourself to wonder why you are even questioning in the first place, what answer are you seeking.

  You must know the direction that you are going in before you get there.
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  Why dont you leave....?

  by anotheropenviewpoint in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been reading quite a few of these threads and post and through it i feel as though i have come to know some of you and your behaviors.. i notice that there are many of you who are still associated with the hall, and have not left yet... yet, bring up very "strong" points on the board.. i have a question for all of you who fit this description.... why dont you just 'effin leave already?

  whats holding you back?

  if you feel soooo strongly that this is "wrong" are you too chicken to state your opinion to a family member?

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  anotheropenviewpoint

  Amac

  Then you will not make a very good JW.

  Why do you say this? Explain.

  SF -

  At what point do you feel that you had the opprotunity to judge me or anyone else in this room? Closeminded... how so? and with what inclination have I shown such behavior?

  Found this site because of you? GTF outta here! Ive never even been to such a room. I stubled accross this site when I read an article on a "bible diet" on cnn.com, and found a thread about the author of that book was expressing JW views and thus I continued reading. How stuck on yourself are you really?

  Get on a mic with you? On what account, you have yet to challenge my intelligence to avail me to do such a thing.

  Why am I finding myself going back now? As I stated before, through my search, this is the point where I have come to find myself, tommorow may bring something different, but as of now, I am still continuing my search, I am still DF'ed.... am I working on reinstatement... not at all... When and if I feel myself pulled to ask for such a thing I will, but not at this current moment in time. Right now, through going to many different churches and evaluating my own placement in thier beliefs, I find myself giving the KH one more chance with a different point of view, another open point of view.