You have completely misread what I said, Saename. That statement from me was not about a disbelief in God, it was about belief in God. Someone was inherently conveying that you cannot be a high-minded individual with an ideology in a supreme being and I was saying you can and that Jesus attested to that as well. So not sure how you misunderstood that but if it was my fault, then I take the blame. I'm not necessarily "contradicting" myself so much as I'm trying to repel what people have mistaken about what I originally said.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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Like the last few portions of my comments. Preferably where it says 'Furthermore, the argument assumes...' "Why not sum up your main point in a few words?" Here's where the real difficult part comes. It's really tough to explain what I really mean in just a few words without someone confusing it. That was the sole reason why my original post was so long because I wanted to explain it in detail instead of just coming out to say just my statement. That would make it look worse. And haha to your last question. No absolutely not. I'm saying that conscience and morals can be correlated to a God within ourselves.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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No, not at all. Please read the last paraphrase of my original post because I'm not sure that you understand my general idea. You seem to confuse it with me believing atheists have "no basis for morality". That's not what I'm saying at all. Matter of fact, what I'm trying to say doesn't really involve atheists so much as it does the fundamentals of decency.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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I've mentioned my point before and I'm not too interested in repeating it so that last paraphrase is enough. If you can't understand then fine. All I will say is that a lot of you guys have misunderstood my original post which makes for confounding off-topic conversation.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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You might have misunderstood. I meant those people can be insanely rational but have no compassion. Which is bad. In the same way a believer can be depleted of it, too.
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Don't know what to do
by looter ini'm in a crazy situation.
about a year ago, i was going to get baptized.
it was all planned and arranged until ttatt was learned.
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I'm still living with my father now but he has really calmed down. Especially since he got sick and injured. She is still doing the same thing unfortunately. Niece has just been married about 2 months ago so don't want to be in the way of that. My father still makes me go to every meeting and go out in service which is pretty annoying but I'm used to the too now. I'm trying to go to school so I can eventually support myself but it won't be easy seeing as I have to carry the microphones, do talks, and go to service anytime my dad tells me. Even if I'm sick, he gets really mad and I don't want to upset him since that's why he's sick. Overall, things aren't as bad as they seemed but they are still stressful.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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"What is the essence of who we are as a person?" The true essence of who we are is our unique ability to be sensible and solve problems. Two people who have carbon copy beliefs can see things in a completely different way. But, if their beliefs lead to virtue, goodness, and peace then I find that astonishing since we as human beings have struggled with this since beginning times. I'm just putting in to context how that specific ability of ours is like a God in that it can help us to become the best person we can be.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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Viviane, I'm talking about the soul that is the essence of who we are as a person. You may have misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I wasn't talking about a physical God or the God many religious people trust in. I've been throughout this topic talking about God as in our inner spirit of value. But most think I'm talking about God is in the creator of the universe. But here's the deal, I respect that belief and try not to mock it or anything.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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I disagree, cofty. If said person has extremely similar standards to an atheist and he judges them that way just because of what they believe, then they aren't being fair. A person that ties morality with what they believe as a supreme being can lead to "bad ethics" but can also forward said person to good morals that he never would have had without that unfounded belief in a God. I wouldn't say one form of ethics is superior to another because they each can lead to good or bad lengths. Some disbelievers are just too rational that they lose or never even had feelings for their common man and Christians along with other believers of God can think that God wants them to do something so shameful that it doesn't even matter the person. They really are just two sides of the same coin, after all.
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by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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Not all Christians have that uncaring attitude toward people or do the three things you mentioned but some do and not proud of that. "Without god we have to reason on the consequences of our actions and try to make good decisions." Wait a minute. It's possible to believe in God and still own up to everything you do as a person. Matter of fact, that's what you could argue Jesus taught his disciples. But of course there are the other side of the coin.
Like in the original post, cofty, my main point was that ability to reason on consequences and "make objective decisions" can be likened to a God within ourselves but I understand if you'd rather not call it a God. The reason why I prefer to term it that way is because when people think of God they think of all knowing and the personification of goodness. Well, we have this in our ability to be rational, solve problems, and not be a problem ourselves. Because in past centuries most didn't even encompass these abilities. Personally, that's what I think the bible is most about in part is letting yourself decide what's right for you based on what Jesus and God says.