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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

You are correct Saename. But he surely was implying that. And that seemed to be how he molded his conversation from his original reply. What I was trying to say was that "judging morality and ethics by consequences" was just another side of the same coin. But everyone seems to think that it's completely different and not comparable in any way at all.

Sure, I am being unnecessary but I don't mean to. I'm just trying to convey what I think in the easiest way to interpret. So forgive me as I'm not even really good at that. Thanks for that information you gave. Everything's a learning process.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

I don't think I've failed cofty just because you haven't understood. I tried to make it completely understandable. The point is understood well by me but again that's why my paragraph was so long because you just can't say a statement like that and expect people to fathom and truly apprehend what you said especially on this site where there are so many arguments on similar topics.

I at least tried to make it coherent even though I'm not too good at that anyway. It's clear to me that you just don't understand which is okay but don't say I've failed when some people have got what I said and if I were to put my main point out in just a few short sentences, you and others most likely would have reacted strongly based on your past discussions. Most probably wouldn't have given me a chance to even plead my case.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

You have completely misread what I said, Saename. That statement from me was not about a disbelief in God, it was about belief in God. Someone was inherently conveying that you cannot be a high-minded individual with an ideology in a supreme being and I was saying you can and that Jesus attested to that as well. So not sure how you misunderstood that but if it was my fault, then I take the blame. I'm not necessarily "contradicting" myself so much as I'm trying to repel what people have mistaken about what I originally said.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

Like the last few portions of my comments. Preferably where it says 'Furthermore, the argument assumes...' "Why not sum up your main point in a few words?" Here's where the real difficult part comes. It's really tough to explain what I really mean in just a few words without someone confusing it. That was the sole reason why my original post was so long because I wanted to explain it in detail instead of just coming out to say just my statement. That would make it look worse. And haha to your last question. No absolutely not. I'm saying that conscience and morals can be correlated to a God within ourselves.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

No, not at all. Please read the last paraphrase of my original post because I'm not sure that you understand my general idea. You seem to confuse it with me believing atheists have "no basis for morality". That's not what I'm saying at all. Matter of fact, what I'm trying to say doesn't really involve atheists so much as it does the fundamentals of decency.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

I've mentioned my point before and I'm not too interested in repeating it so that last paraphrase is enough. If you can't understand then fine. All I will say is that a lot of you guys have misunderstood my original post which makes for confounding off-topic conversation.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

You might have misunderstood. I meant those people can be insanely rational but have no compassion. Which is bad. In the same way a believer can be depleted of it, too.

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Don't know what to do

by looter in

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i'm in a crazy situation.

about a year ago, i was going to get baptized.

it was all planned and arranged until ttatt was learned.

looter

I'm still living with my father now but he has really calmed down. Especially since he got sick and injured. She is still doing the same thing unfortunately. Niece has just been married about 2 months ago so don't want to be in the way of that. My father still makes me go to every meeting and go out in service which is pretty annoying but I'm used to the too now. I'm trying to go to school so I can eventually support myself but it won't be easy seeing as I have to carry the microphones, do talks, and go to service anytime my dad tells me. Even if I'm sick, he gets really mad and I don't want to upset him since that's why he's sick. Overall, things aren't as bad as they seemed but they are still stressful.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

"What is the essence of who we are as a person?" The true essence of who we are is our unique ability to be sensible and solve problems. Two people who have carbon copy beliefs can see things in a completely different way. But, if their beliefs lead to virtue, goodness, and peace then I find that astonishing since we as human beings have struggled with this since beginning times. I'm just putting in to context how that specific ability of ours is like a God in that it can help us to become the best person we can be.

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God is Real in Principle

by looter in

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friends

now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

looter

Viviane, I'm talking about the soul that is the essence of who we are as a person. You may have misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I wasn't talking about a physical God or the God many religious people trust in. I've been throughout this topic talking about God as in our inner spirit of value. But most think I'm talking about God is in the creator of the universe. But here's the deal, I respect that belief and try not to mock it or anything.