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  God is Real in Principle

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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  But that's what I'm saying. Someone can have believe in that rational side. Whether a belief is irrational or not depends entirely on what is meant by irrational in this context. A person who believes in God on the basis of considered evidence and reasoning is not irrational. They might be mistaken, but that is true of almost any belief-even those in the sciences. We both just need to remember that some people who believe in God are irrational in their belief and others are rational in their belief.

  The same can be said about any belief. People believe scientific claims without adequate justification, yet no one would say that the belief in science is irrational. The belief in God deserves the same treatment. To do otherwise is a senseless and needless insult to those who carefully consider the rather important matter of God and find that reason and evidence point them towards belief.
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  I liked what you said. But you remarked, "rationality does not require belief." Neither does being irrational. I know a few people who are as unreasonable as they come but have utterly no type of belief in God, any form of righteousness, or ethics whatsoever. On top of everything, rationality not necessarily needs a belief in God but what my point is, non op, is that it can.

  And just because someone doesn't feel it is needed doesn't give them the right the blatantly treat another persons view like it's garbage. Seriously, being different doesn't mean wrong. So many believers and non believers don't understand this ideology even when it's as simple as simple gets.
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  It's not that I'm "trying to reconcile irrationality with the rational world". That what you call "irrationality" is just another way individuals are able to be practical and problem solvers. Obviously when it involves hurting and extreme actions it could be called irrationality. But when an atheist or just anyone who isn't religious does equivalent things, that can be called unreasonable as well. Besides, believers think not believing is irrational so it really is just a different mode of thinking.
  
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  God is Real in Principle

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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  That's not my fault either, sparky1.
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Exactly. But since when does calling someone intelligent equate with insulting them? All she did was point out one underlying issue with our conversation. Not disrespectful in any way at all. It pains me that you think that.
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  What did I just read? OrphanCrow, how dare you believe that what Kate said is insulting. It is absolutely in no way insulting. She just said that he is unable to understand my views because he has his own. Period. If you read this entire topic, it's pretty clear that this is the case. Just because it's true doesn't mean she was being conceited.

  She even called him very intelligent because he evidently is. However, every time I attempted to explain he completely misinterprets it and asks me another question based on his misinterpretation. That's not my fault if he just can't possibly grasp in mind it. It's okay if he disagrees but in this case he doesn't even understand.
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  I'm glad you made the decision for yourself and no one else. The problem with it sometimes is that if an atheist has been abused when he used to believe in God, he is trying to help those you currently have faith. Unfortunately, he has to realize that not everyone needs the 'help' against God and that it works for people, Saename. Sometimes it stems from genuine help but other times it is from just plain bitterness
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Hope some of these people wake up, atomant, and pray to God now. That's a bad way of life to live hating believers because of your own stubbornness to not give credence to God.
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Saename, not all the time. Some people just know in their hearts that he is the almighty God and that he deserves everything from them. So they act according to that not necessarily because he will give them some reward but because he deserves since he created them and everyone. It's kind of hard to grasp, obviously, but that's just how some peoples brain is wired. A lot of atheist cannot seem to understand or respect that innocent belief, not innocent all the time of course, so they just berate and oppress them just because of their own conviction.
  
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  Don't know what to do

  by looter in

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  i'm in a crazy situation.

  about a year ago, i was going to get baptized.

  it was all planned and arranged until ttatt was learned.

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  His attitude is compilation of everything and sometimes unexplainable. I graduated about a year ago and have been 18 quite some time now. I've thought about all those things you mentioned and get really angry when my father doesn't like what I was interested in and makes me go through hell when I'm trying to sign up. But like you said, you just have to grin and bear it.