You might have misunderstood. I meant those people can be insanely rational but have no compassion. Which is bad. In the same way a believer can be depleted of it, too.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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by looter ini'm in a crazy situation.
about a year ago, i was going to get baptized.
it was all planned and arranged until ttatt was learned.
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I'm still living with my father now but he has really calmed down. Especially since he got sick and injured. She is still doing the same thing unfortunately. Niece has just been married about 2 months ago so don't want to be in the way of that. My father still makes me go to every meeting and go out in service which is pretty annoying but I'm used to the too now. I'm trying to go to school so I can eventually support myself but it won't be easy seeing as I have to carry the microphones, do talks, and go to service anytime my dad tells me. Even if I'm sick, he gets really mad and I don't want to upset him since that's why he's sick. Overall, things aren't as bad as they seemed but they are still stressful.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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"What is the essence of who we are as a person?" The true essence of who we are is our unique ability to be sensible and solve problems. Two people who have carbon copy beliefs can see things in a completely different way. But, if their beliefs lead to virtue, goodness, and peace then I find that astonishing since we as human beings have struggled with this since beginning times. I'm just putting in to context how that specific ability of ours is like a God in that it can help us to become the best person we can be.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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Viviane, I'm talking about the soul that is the essence of who we are as a person. You may have misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I wasn't talking about a physical God or the God many religious people trust in. I've been throughout this topic talking about God as in our inner spirit of value. But most think I'm talking about God is in the creator of the universe. But here's the deal, I respect that belief and try not to mock it or anything.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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I disagree, cofty. If said person has extremely similar standards to an atheist and he judges them that way just because of what they believe, then they aren't being fair. A person that ties morality with what they believe as a supreme being can lead to "bad ethics" but can also forward said person to good morals that he never would have had without that unfounded belief in a God. I wouldn't say one form of ethics is superior to another because they each can lead to good or bad lengths. Some disbelievers are just too rational that they lose or never even had feelings for their common man and Christians along with other believers of God can think that God wants them to do something so shameful that it doesn't even matter the person. They really are just two sides of the same coin, after all.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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Not all Christians have that uncaring attitude toward people or do the three things you mentioned but some do and not proud of that. "Without god we have to reason on the consequences of our actions and try to make good decisions." Wait a minute. It's possible to believe in God and still own up to everything you do as a person. Matter of fact, that's what you could argue Jesus taught his disciples. But of course there are the other side of the coin.
Like in the original post, cofty, my main point was that ability to reason on consequences and "make objective decisions" can be likened to a God within ourselves but I understand if you'd rather not call it a God. The reason why I prefer to term it that way is because when people think of God they think of all knowing and the personification of goodness. Well, we have this in our ability to be rational, solve problems, and not be a problem ourselves. Because in past centuries most didn't even encompass these abilities. Personally, that's what I think the bible is most about in part is letting yourself decide what's right for you based on what Jesus and God says.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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I'm not pleading to do that at all, Bonsai. Specifically, I'm talking about the belief in God and morality. The main concept is that a person can trust God and have just as much morality as anyone else.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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Simon you are right they can be immoral, a lot of them. But so can atheist and pretty much anyone. I was particularly looking at it in the way that all parties are moral even taking into consideration the flaws of each. On the other hand, it does seem that there are a lot of blasphemers who operate on their own corrupt impulses under on God's name.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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Thank you KateWild. As for my previous situation, it has gotten a lot better and worse at the same time. My father since then has calmed down and treated me normal because he saw that my mother would get no better. Unfortunately, he got injured and now has to wear 2 knee braces which sucks because sometimes you think if you would have just got baptized, non of this would have happened.
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God is Real in Principle
by looter innow the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
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A Christian believer can have all the virtuous codes that a nonbeliever has, cofty. Of course this doesn't include all the horrific acts that people claim is justified by God. What I'm trying to say is that two people that have very similar values and morals but have a different method or approach to reach those same standards. It isn't gentle to include all Christians in a certain like when there are some that have completely rational values such as yourself.
But certain believers will always spurn an atheist's way of thinking not because they are childish but because the sole reason why they have good standards is perhaps because of a God they trust. There has been some evidence that believing in God can help block anxiety and minimize stress in certain people. I personally don't like that because they only believe in God because of that not because of genuine certainty. That's unfortunate for them but that's how their brain is wired.
"Of course in reality christians don't actually get their ethics from some absolute external standard. They mostly reason on consequences just like non-believers but they then go back and superimpose god onto decisions they have already made. God is the ultimate sockpuppet." Not all. Most Christians do not believe God to be false. There are some that use him for their diversion, but we're not talking about those. We're talking about the high-minded. The ones that actually know it's wrong to murder. The biggest point I'm trying to make though is that just like believers believe there is a God and he is the splitting image of right and wrong, atheists to believe in a complimentary morality even if it's highly disputable between each perspective. The two sides just have an enormous distinction in assumption.